Butker calls it out.

[Copper]

@taiwan_girl said in Butker calls it out.:

I dont know what is the defintion is of feminism.

That's what happens when someone mentions the traditional roles of men and women and doesn't get an eye roll in return.

It's OK if men live their lives like men traditionally have and women live their lives like women traditionally have.

And of course if men act like women and women act like men that is absolutely wonderful too.

[Renauda]

@Copper

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

How about this one:

At its core, feminism is the belief that women deserve equal social, economic, and political rights and freedoms.

I agree with that. But he was the one who said it. But if she did say, I still think its weird.

What if one of your kids said, "Before I got married. No wait, even though i was married but didnt have kids, my life was nothing."

"So, the time you spent growing up with loving parents, the wisdom they gave you, the nurturing, etc. means nothing to you?"

"Correct. My life did not begin until I was married and had kids"

[LuFins Dad]

@taiwan_girl said in Butker calls it out.:

@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

@taiwan_girl said in Butker calls it out.:

From his speech

I can tell you that my beautiful wife Isabelle would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother.

I don't find that at all. You don't believe in feminism?

I just think it is weird to say that her life only started once she got married and had kids.

Dont Catholics believe that life starts at conception? So is he okay with abortion until someone gets married and has kids?
(Joke joke Joke)

That’s not what he said. He said her life’s vocation. Her life’s work that she wants/needs to accomplish.

[Horace]

It’s my understanding that life begins when you retire, the kids move out, and the dogs die.

[LuFins Dad]

@taiwan_girl said in Butker calls it out.:

@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

How about this one:

At its core, feminism is the belief that women deserve equal social, economic, and political rights and freedoms.

I agree with that. But he was the one who said it. But if she did say, I still think its weird.

What if one of your kids said, "Before I got married. No wait, even though i was married but didnt have kids, my life was nothing."

"So, the time you spent growing up with loving parents, the wisdom they gave you, the nurturing, etc. means nothing to you?"

"Correct. My life did not begin until I was married and had kids"

Again, you are missing the word vocation.

Vocation:

1. aparticular occupation, business, or profession; calling.
   Synonyms: pursuit, employment

2. a strong impulse or inclination to follow a particular activity or career.
   a divine call to God's service or to the Christian life.

3. a function or station in life to which one is called by God:
   the religious vocation; the vocation of marriage.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/vocation

[LuFins Dad]

https://babylonbee.com/news/harrison-butker-does-not-reflect-our-values-says-league-of-woman-beaters

NEW YORK, NY — In response to an angry outcry from feminists regarding statements he made in a commencement speech, the NFL issued a statement that Kansas City Chiefs kicker Harrison Butker does not represent the values of the rest of the league of woman beaters.

The Chiefs kicker, a devout Catholic, expressed several controversial opinions during his speech, including strong support for traditional family values, none of which fall in line with the NFL's standard behavioral code upheld by teams filled with woman beaters, child abusers, drunk drivers, and drug traffickers.

"Harrison Butker does not reflect our values," said NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell in a statement defending the league of depraved convicted criminals who make millions playing a game while abusing women in their free time. "We sincerely apologize for Butker's inexcusable support for family values. We want to reiterate our commitment to continue filling the roster of all our franchises with violent criminals who would probably be in prison if they weren't working for us." Players from across the league came forward to distance themselves from Butker's dangerous statements. "I don't want to associate with that type of religious extremism," said Miami Dolphins wide receiver Tyreek Hill, who has a record including allegations of domestic violence and child abuse. "Those types of views have no place in our league."

At publishing time, an NFL spokesman said the league was still deliberating what form of punishment Butker may receive for urging college students to be good fathers and mothers and to have families rather than murder their unborn children.

[Mik]

The Bee forgot dog fighters.

[Jolly]

[Jolly]

Link to video

The NFL responded "his views are not those of the NFL as an organization".

This is the same NFL who promoted a black man raised by a loving white family, as he refused to stand for the national anthem, because of racism. Racism in a league where 54% of the players are black. A player do bad he couldn't beat out Blaine Gabbert for a starting job.

The same NFL with a significant number of players with out-of-wedlock children, often by multiple women.

The same NFL who suffers from a never ending series of reports and arrests for domestic violence.

By the way some of you have pilloried Mr. Butler for venerating women as wives and mothers, I suppose you are much more comfortable when NFL players beat the hell out of women.

[Mik]

I found a great deal of truth in what he said. He didn’t say don’t have a career, just that the priority for most people is family. You can twist it and I’ve heard the graduates whine of how he told them that’s all they are good for which is completely untrue. And he’s spot on that we are no longer an ordered society.

[Jolly]

Mr. Butler is a conservative Catholic giving a commencement speech at a Catholic College. Most of the things he spoke about, are positions the Catholic church has held for many years.

Up above, I posted that speech. I invite you to listen. There are very few things in the speech I disagree with.

OTOH, another Catholic, a much more famous one who constantly touts his Catholic faith, brought out one of his administration's people a couple of days ago, who informed the public that if religious based hospitals refused to cut the breasts off little girls or neuter young boys, all Federal (I'm assuming he meant Medicare & Medicaid) funds would be cut off.

Yet ... Mr. Butker is an asshole, a person who should fuck off. A guy who isn't particularly famous as compared to stars in the NFL. He was a Carolina 7th round draft pick and didn't make the 53 man squad. He signed with the Chiefs the same year for $509k)yr. Because of his accuracy, he has consistently earned more money. Currently, he has a 89.1% accuracy rate and makes around $4M/yr. That's not big money in the NFL.

[Jolly]

Yet...Look at the media coverage about the speech. Shucks, look at some of the comments here.

Do you people not love your wife, your children? Do you not believe that if a woman wished to be a homemaker, that it is not something to be proud of? That a woman who stays home and raised her children is worth less than the career woman?

What does this say about our priorities as men? As women?

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Butker calls it out.:

Yet ... Mr. Butker is an asshole, a person who should fuck off.

If you read what I actually wrote, I was talking about one specific thing he said regarding two things I almost certainly have more experience of than he does. And I didn't say he was an asshole. You said I was. Not that it matters much. It's assholes all the way down, after all.

I noticed nobody responded to my point about caesarian sections interfering with God's plan for who gets to live and who gets to die. An inconvenient truth? Who gets to decide which parts of modern medicine are in line with what God wanted after all? The guy who never marries and doesn't have children, apparently.

It's another debate, but being a devote Catholic doesn't mean you can't say some dumb things. It's always struck me that the prohibition against contraception is ridiculous. I understand the views on abortion, and can sympathise with it if I don't agree with it. But not allowing birth control - seriously? Of course there are plenty of 'devout' Catholics who completely ignore the church's teachings on that, and they aren't described as phony or degenerate. At least not by anybody reasonable.

[George K]

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

Of course there are plenty of 'devout' Catholics who completely ignore the church's teachings on that, and they aren't described as phony or degenerate. At least not by anybody reasonable.

Here I go, being unreasonable again.

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in Butker calls it out.:

Here I go, being unreasonable again.

Coincidentally, I was listening to a history podcast on the drive home tonight on the Papal Dark Ages, also known as the Saeculum Obscurum, or even more entertainingly as the Pornocracy. It's fair to say that the behaviour of the various Bishops of Rome would have put even Mr. Biden's behaviour to shame.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum

Ah, the good old days before modern liberalism ruined everything.

[LuFins Dad]

@George-K said in Butker calls it out.:

Deja Vu!

https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/278351

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Butker calls it out.:

@George-K said in Butker calls it out.:

Here I go, being unreasonable again.

Coincidentally, I was listening to a history podcast on the drive home tonight on the Papal Dark Ages, also known as the Saeculum Obscurum, or even more entertainingly as the Pornocracy. It's fair to say that the behaviour of the various Bishops of Rome would have put even Mr. Biden's behaviour to shame.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum

Ah, the good old days before modern liberalism ruined everything.

I'm protestant, not Catholic. Throughout time, there have been some pretty sinful things done by people who were supposedly Christian.

But...The good far outweighs the bad

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad said in Butker calls it out.:

Deja Vu!

https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/278351

Sigh...