A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution
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The death penalty has outlived it's usefulness, at least in it's current form. I could see keeping it on the books for terrorists and treason, and those that are truly irredeemable, but not for cases like this. This guy needs to spend life in prison, but killing him is to no good effect.
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Not at all. A life can be lived in prison. Good can be accomplished. Especially for somebody truly remorseful, as this guy appears to be.
I suppose the Romans should have just beheaded Paul and been done with it?
The Brad
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Not at all. A life can be lived in prison. Good can be accomplished. Especially for somebody truly remorseful, as this guy appears to be.
I suppose the Romans should have just beheaded Paul and been done with it?
@LuFins-Dad said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
Not at all. A life can be lived in prison. Good can be accomplished. Especially for somebody truly remorseful, as this guy appears to be.
I suppose the Romans should have just beheaded Paul and been done with it?
Paul was imprisoned twice in Rome, as you know. Once, under house arrest. He still provided his own meals during that confinement, though. The second imprisonment location is unknown, but it certainly was in a Roman prison. That meant probably underground, possibly chained.
It's not known for sure, but because he was a Roman citizen, Paul was probably beheaded when he was executed. In that day and time, that would have been considered a humane death, far superior to starving to death while chained underground.
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Not at all. A life can be lived in prison. Good can be accomplished. Especially for somebody truly remorseful, as this guy appears to be.
I suppose the Romans should have just beheaded Paul and been done with it?
@LuFins-Dad said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
Not at all. A life can be lived in prison. Good can be accomplished. Especially for somebody truly remorseful, as this guy appears to be.
I suppose the Romans should have just beheaded Paul and been done with it?
I've been on The Farm a lot. Used to go through the gates at least once a month. For many of the cons, it ain't much life, especially those on Death Row.
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I dont think the death penalty is a good thing because:
- it is not a deterrent
- if it does happen, it takes so so long
- the cost to keep a death row prisoner is super super high (guards:prisoner ratio, lawyers, appeals, etc etc.)
As @jolly said, being in prison for the rest of your life is not much of a life. That is punishment enough for me.
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I dont think the death penalty is a good thing because:
- it is not a deterrent
- if it does happen, it takes so so long
- the cost to keep a death row prisoner is super super high (guards:prisoner ratio, lawyers, appeals, etc etc.)
As @jolly said, being in prison for the rest of your life is not much of a life. That is punishment enough for me.
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
it is not a deterrent
I promise you, if you execute somebody, they will never harm another person.
Death is the final deterrent.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
it is not a deterrent
I promise you, if you execute somebody, they will never harm another person.
Death is the final deterrent.
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@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
it is not a deterrent
I promise you, if you execute somebody, they will never harm another person.
Death is the final deterrent.
@Jolly said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
it is not a deterrent
I promise you, if you execute somebody, they will never harm another person.
Death is the final deterrent.
LOL True, but I think life in prison with no release will do the same thing at a much lower cost.
(But I think you know that I meant a deterrent to other people. 555)
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@Jolly said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
it is not a deterrent
I promise you, if you execute somebody, they will never harm another person.
Death is the final deterrent.
LOL True, but I think life in prison with no release will do the same thing at a much lower cost.
(But I think you know that I meant a deterrent to other people. 555)
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@Jolly said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
it is not a deterrent
I promise you, if you execute somebody, they will never harm another person.
Death is the final deterrent.
LOL True, but I think life in prison with no release will do the same thing at a much lower cost.
(But I think you know that I meant a deterrent to other people. 555)
Bullets are fifty cents. Rope is reusable.
Less humane, but we've killed many a cow with a sledgehammer. Also reusable.
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@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@Jolly said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
it is not a deterrent
I promise you, if you execute somebody, they will never harm another person.
Death is the final deterrent.
LOL True, but I think life in prison with no release will do the same thing at a much lower cost.
(But I think you know that I meant a deterrent to other people. 555)
Bullets are fifty cents. Rope is reusable.
Less humane, but we've killed many a cow with a sledgehammer. Also reusable.
@Jolly said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@Jolly said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
it is not a deterrent
I promise you, if you execute somebody, they will never harm another person.
Death is the final deterrent.
LOL True, but I think life in prison with no release will do the same thing at a much lower cost.
(But I think you know that I meant a deterrent to other people. 555)
Bullets are fifty cents. Rope is reusable.
Less humane, but we've killed many a cow with a sledgehammer. Also reusable.
LOL But that is after 20 years or so. Before then, teams of lawyers filing appeals. Probably more than one guard per death row prisoner, etc.
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@Jolly said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@Jolly said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
it is not a deterrent
I promise you, if you execute somebody, they will never harm another person.
Death is the final deterrent.
LOL True, but I think life in prison with no release will do the same thing at a much lower cost.
(But I think you know that I meant a deterrent to other people. 555)
Bullets are fifty cents. Rope is reusable.
Less humane, but we've killed many a cow with a sledgehammer. Also reusable.
LOL But that is after 20 years or so. Before then, teams of lawyers filing appeals. Probably more than one guard per death row prisoner, etc.
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@Jolly said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@Jolly said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
it is not a deterrent
I promise you, if you execute somebody, they will never harm another person.
Death is the final deterrent.
LOL True, but I think life in prison with no release will do the same thing at a much lower cost.
(But I think you know that I meant a deterrent to other people. 555)
Bullets are fifty cents. Rope is reusable.
Less humane, but we've killed many a cow with a sledgehammer. Also reusable.
LOL But that is after 20 years or so. Before then, teams of lawyers filing appeals. Probably more than one guard per death row prisoner, etc.
That's a whole nuther problem.
I have no problem with the death penalty. But when we use it, guilt should be assured.
If guilt can be determined with a very, very high degree of certainty, appeals should few and succinct, with a loss of appeals followed with a swift execution
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@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@Jolly said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@Jolly said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
@taiwan_girl said in A Killer Stops Appeals - Asks for Execution:
it is not a deterrent
I promise you, if you execute somebody, they will never harm another person.
Death is the final deterrent.
LOL True, but I think life in prison with no release will do the same thing at a much lower cost.
(But I think you know that I meant a deterrent to other people. 555)
Bullets are fifty cents. Rope is reusable.
Less humane, but we've killed many a cow with a sledgehammer. Also reusable.
LOL But that is after 20 years or so. Before then, teams of lawyers filing appeals. Probably more than one guard per death row prisoner, etc.
That's a whole nuther problem.
I have no problem with the death penalty. But when we use it, guilt should be assured.
If guilt can be determined with a very, very high degree of certainty, appeals should few and succinct, with a loss of appeals followed with a swift execution
@Jolly Agree
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Death penalty for fraud:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/11/business/truong-my-lan-vietnam-fraud-death-sentence/index.html
A court in Vietnam sentenced real estate tycoon Truong My Lan Thursday to death over her role in a 304 trillion dong ($12.46 billion) financial fraud case, the country’s biggest on record, state media reported.
At the end of a trial in Vietnam’s business hub Ho Chi Minh City, the chairwoman of real estate developer Van Thinh Phat Holdings Group was found guilty of embezzlement, bribery and violations of banking rules, state media reports said.
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There are too many cases where 20 years later the conviction gets overturned.
As for the costs, most of that is bull. Let’s say it costs $100,000,000 to run a prison that holds 1,000 men. That breaks down to $100,000 per prisoner. So you can point to the death row inmate and say he’s costing the state $100,000 per year. Sounds good, but it’s bullshit. If the guy was executed, they would still be spending the $100,000,000.
