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My first drive of an EV

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  • RainmanR Rainman

    Jon, your #2 bothers me just a bit. I rely on the brake lights of the car in front of me for obvious reasons. If the brake lights don't come on, I may plow into you if I'm slightly distracted or something like dark rainy night driving. Personally, I always consider turning on my brake lights with a gentle push of the pedal just so the person behind me knows I'm slowing down. That's why I hate tailgaters, I always figure they're not that good in reacting to driving circumstances as they think they are.

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    @Rainman said in My first drive of an EV:

    Jon, your #2 bothers me just a bit. I rely on the brake lights of the car in front of me for obvious reasons. If the brake lights don't come on, I may plow into you if I'm slightly distracted or something like dark rainy night driving. Personally, I always consider turning on my brake lights with a gentle push of the pedal just so the person behind me knows I'm slowing down. That's why I hate tailgaters, I always figure they're not that good in reacting to driving circumstances as they think they are.

    Apparently this has been an issue with some brands.

    https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/brake-lights-can-fail-to-provide-fair-warning-on-some-evs-a9533519285/?EXTKEY=YSOCIAL_FB&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=paid-social-display&utm_campaign=MKTG_FBIG_ConsumerReports_Traffic_Cars_SR_ABO&utm_content=single+image_na_LAL_content_pilot_brake+lights&utm_term=MKTG_FBIG_Cars_LALs+(7-day+click)&fbclid=IwAR283y1MNjXSnJT7Dh2pyjhQ0DSOrgAPHOAiqrlpQMK_UHUaJsxuJMNbTA0

    Only non-witches get due process.

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      @Rainman said in My first drive of an EV:

      Jon, your #2 bothers me just a bit. I rely on the brake lights of the car in front of me for obvious reasons. If the brake lights don't come on, I may plow into you if I'm slightly distracted or something like dark rainy night driving. Personally, I always consider turning on my brake lights with a gentle push of the pedal just so the person behind me knows I'm slowing down. That's why I hate tailgaters, I always figure they're not that good in reacting to driving circumstances as they think they are.

      Apparently this has been an issue with some brands.

      https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-safety/brake-lights-can-fail-to-provide-fair-warning-on-some-evs-a9533519285/?EXTKEY=YSOCIAL_FB&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=paid-social-display&utm_campaign=MKTG_FBIG_ConsumerReports_Traffic_Cars_SR_ABO&utm_content=single+image_na_LAL_content_pilot_brake+lights&utm_term=MKTG_FBIG_Cars_LALs+(7-day+click)&fbclid=IwAR283y1MNjXSnJT7Dh2pyjhQ0DSOrgAPHOAiqrlpQMK_UHUaJsxuJMNbTA0

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      @jon-nyc that's interesting.

      I love the adaptive cruise control in my car. I use it all the time, even in heavy traffic. I wonder how the brake lights function with it enabled.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        George, you need to find out the answer. Not sure how. Maybe your wife or one of your daughters could follow you in semi-congested traffic and let you know? It's important.

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        • George KG George K

          @jon-nyc that's interesting.

          I love the adaptive cruise control in my car. I use it all the time, even in heavy traffic. I wonder how the brake lights function with it enabled.

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          @George-K said in My first drive of an EV:

          @jon-nyc that's interesting.

          I love the adaptive cruise control in my car. I use it all the time, even in heavy traffic. I wonder how the brake lights function with it enabled.

          I'm pretty sure the brake lights come on with mine - at least, the break light indicator showed. I don't use it because I hate having somebody else brake for me.

          I was only joking

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          • George KG George K

            @jon-nyc that's interesting.

            I love the adaptive cruise control in my car. I use it all the time, even in heavy traffic. I wonder how the brake lights function with it enabled.

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            @George-K said in My first drive of an EV:

            I wonder how the brake lights function with it enabled.

            Asked a friend who is kind of knowledgeable about this, and he said,

            "Federal motor vehicle safety standards require the brake lamps to illuminate whenever the service brakes are applied whether they're being applied by the driver or by the vehicle."

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              I guess "service brakes" is a thing then. I didn't know that, must be new territory.

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                @Mik said in Hey Horace:

                was driving a Tesla

                Thoughts on the Tesla?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Fun to drive, tons of bells and whistles. Exhilarating performance. Interesting not to have to hit the brakes to stop. You really have to adjust your expectations to the way the car’s features work. The autopilot put me in Tesla jail because I didn’t comply with its demands. It’s different.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    I don’t like that all the co trolls and display cause you to take your eyes off directly ahead. That part is very different.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      I don’t like that all the co trolls and display cause you to take your eyes off directly ahead. That part is very different.

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                      @Mik said in My first drive of an EV:

                      I don’t like that all the co trolls and display cause you to take your eyes off directly ahead. That part is very different.

                      One of the things I absolutely love about my 2017 (!) Audi is the Head-up display.

                      There are very few things that require your (almost) constant attention. Two of them are the speed limit and your speed. If you want to use the Audi SatNav, that'll be displayed as well. I don't, I use CarPlay.

                      I imagine all the other crap in a Tesla (particularly the Model 3) with only that huge display, awkwardly placed, is a terrible distraction. How many menus do you have to go thru to change the ambient temp, a radio station....

                      Gimme knobs, you ... knobheads.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George my Mazda has that heads-up display too. Love it.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          https://www.thedrive.com/news/hertz-charging-a-tesla-renter-for-gas-was-not-an-isolated-incident

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            https://www.fastcompany.com/91150627/u-k-company-nyobolt-new-electric-car-ev-battery-charges-in-5-minutes

                            A Cambridge-based EV manufacturer, though, says it has developed a battery that charges in less than five minutes, roughly twice as long as it takes to fill up a gas-fueled vehicle.

                            Nyobolt says it has developed a 35kWh lithium-ion battery that charges from 10% to 80% in just over four and a half minutes. Additionally, it says, the battery does not show the degradation of lithium-ion batteries.

                            The battery, the company says, citing independent OEM testing (though the company did not name who ran that testing), can achieve over 4,000 fast charge cycles, which spans roughly 600,000 miles, maintaining over 80% battery capacity retention.

                            and

                            Nyobolt’s battery depends on the chemical niobium, which is not heavily mined at present compared to the production levels of the materials used in the production of lithium-ion batteries.

                            Nyobolt is just one of many companies working to improve EV batteries. A company called 24M, last month, showcased a battery that is designed to have a range of up to 1,000 miles on a single charge. That battery uses lithium metal rather than lithium ion, which 24M, an MIT spinout, says gives it more energy density.

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                              https://www.scmp.com/business/china-business/article/3274368/geelys-zeekr-unit-unveils-ultra-fast-charging-ev-battery-chinas-electrification-race

                              Zeekr Intelligent Technology, the premium electric vehicle (EV) maker controlled by Geely Auto, has unveiled a new battery technology that can offer a car a nearly 500-kilometre (310-mile) range with just 10.5 minutes of charging, as the industry steps up the electrification process.

                              Zeekr’s self-developed lithium-ion-phosphate (LFP) battery, dubbed Golden Battery and installed on its 007 electric sedan, supports 800-volt ultra-fast charging and assures owners of “swift and reliable” performance, the company said in a statement on Tuesday. The 75-kilowatt-hour battery, when fully charged, allows a car to go as far as 682km, it added.

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                                Nice. Even if those numbers are a bit exaggerated and/or rely on optimal driving conditions, that’s still good progress.

                                Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  While I am not sure of the re-charge rate, I know that Lucid (a US car maker) has a real demonstrated 500+ mile range with their cars.

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                                    There’s a Lucid dealer in a high-end mall here. They look pretty sweet. But I doubt I’d consider an electric car for my next purchase in 2027 timeframe (probably send the boy to college with the Mazda).

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      It's not just "battery technology" but also the "charging infrastructure" more broadly. I see myself sticking with gas/hybrid for quite a while yet.

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                                        Same, both to Jon and Ax.

                                        I'm guessing in the next few years there will be a large anti-battery movement considering the electricity has to come from "somewhere" and the battery uses rare or mined earth materials from "somewhere".

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                                          It is nice they made progress.

                                          This isn't yet the progress that beats internal combustion.

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