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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    https://wapo.st/48ZK4nO

    The op-ed cites these statistics: "Girls constitute two-thirds of the top 10 percent of their high school classes and apply to college at a higher rate than boys."

    Then talks about schools' tendency to want a "balanced" student body, meaning one that has roughly as many boys as girls, would mean raising the admission standards for girls and/or lowering the same for boys.

    Then the important questions:

    • why colleges want roughly equal numbers of male/female students? Is this the right goal?
    • does that meet the spirit of "Affirmative Action"?

    Women have enrolled in college at greater rates than men since the early 1980s. They get better grades, drop out less frequently and are more likely to earn a four-year degree. ... So why do women still earn 82 cents to the male dollar?

    [The author then shares her hypothesis on that.]

    Quoting from an essay by a college admissions officer:

    “Once you become decidedly female in enrollment, fewer males and, as it turns out, fewer females find your campus attractive.”

    That one surprises me. So here's my question to you:

    Will you (either as a student yourself or as a parent/guardian of a university student/applicant or as an employer of university graduates) think less of a university if you see that it has more female students than male students?

    ***my answer***

    click to show

    I do not. It never occurred to me judge a school's level of academic excellence by its male/female student ratio, hence my surprise at that claim.

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    • jon-nycJ Offline
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      I’ve not heard of schools that tip the scales for men though maybe it’s starting to happen? I do know stem-heavy schools that tip the scales for women (eg MIT)

      They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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      • CopperC Offline
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        I think girls started to outnumber boys in college more than 50 years ago. And still do.

        They did at my school.

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        • jon-nycJ Offline
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          My buddy went to Johnson and Wales about 5 minutes after it stopped being just a culinary school. It was by far and away female dominated.

          You should have seen the girls he dated.

          Likewise a rather frumpy and uninteresting girl from my high school went to MIT and got flowers from two different guys her first month there.

          There’s something to be said for putting yourself in a skewed dating market.

          They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            My buddy went to Johnson and Wales about 5 minutes after it stopped being just a culinary school. It was by far and away female dominated.

            You should have seen the girls he dated.

            Likewise a rather frumpy and uninteresting girl from my high school went to MIT and got flowers from two different guys her first month there.

            There’s something to be said for putting yourself in a skewed dating market.

            LuFins DadL Offline
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            @jon-nyc said in Male/Female Equity in College Admissions:

            My buddy went to Johnson and Wales about 5 minutes after it stopped being just a culinary school. It was by far and away female dominated.

            You should have seen the girls he dated.

            Likewise a rather frumpy and uninteresting girl from my high school went to MIT and got flowers from two different guys her first month there.

            There’s something to be said for putting yourself in a skewed dating market.

            I went to what was at the time a women’s liberal arts college. The only guys on campus were fine arts majors. 3100 women, 42 men. Of course, you had to subtract out roughly 800 of the girls as they liked flannel shirts, but you also subtracted out 20 of the guys because they were drama majors…

            The Brad

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            • MikM Offline
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              I never paid attention to the ratios. It was just such a cornucopia of good-looking women who were looking. Good times.

              "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                I’ve not heard of schools that tip the scales for men though maybe it’s starting to happen? I do know stem-heavy schools that tip the scales for women (eg MIT)

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                @jon-nyc said in Male/Female Equity in College Admissions:

                I’ve not heard of schools that tip the scales for men though maybe it’s starting to happen? I do know stem-heavy schools that tip the scales for women (eg MIT)

                I don’t think it’s a matter of tipping the scales for women so much as it is trying to tip the scales against the white male.

                To the point of the article and the thread - equity of outcome should absolutely never be the goal. Equality of access is. Equity is simply one indicator that can be used to point towards unequal access. And it should never be the sole indicator, just the beginning of the discussions.

                The Brad

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                • MikM Mik

                  I never paid attention to the ratios. It was just such a cornucopia of good-looking women who were looking. Good times.

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  @Mik said in Male/Female Equity in College Admissions:

                  I never paid attention to the ratios. It was just such a cornucopia of good-looking women who were looking. Good times.

                  There are still young, pretty women out there, but so many have malfunctions between their ears. That means the really good ones get picked pretty quickly.

                  OTOH, pretty ways make pretty people.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    My buddy went to Johnson and Wales about 5 minutes after it stopped being just a culinary school. It was by far and away female dominated.

                    You should have seen the girls he dated.

                    Likewise a rather frumpy and uninteresting girl from my high school went to MIT and got flowers from two different guys her first month there.

                    There’s something to be said for putting yourself in a skewed dating market.

                    89th8 Offline
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                    @jon-nyc said in Male/Female Equity in College Admissions:

                    My buddy went to Johnson and Wales about 5 minutes after it stopped being just a culinary school. It was by far and away female dominated.

                    You should have seen the girls he dated.

                    Likewise a rather frumpy and uninteresting girl from my high school went to MIT and got flowers from two different guys her first month there.

                    There’s something to be said for putting yourself in a skewed dating market.

                    Ha! My dad did the same thing. Was about an 80/20 mix when he first got there. Of course, he met my mom there.

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                      I went to an all girls school. It had gates and a fence around the campus, and when they opened them up at lunch time or at the end of the school day, there were always a bunch of guys hanging out just outside the gates waiting for the girls to come out. LOL

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