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The Price of Lawfare

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-high-price-of-anti-trump-lawfare-eroding-public-trust-politicized-prosecutions-7bba71d8?mod=opinion_lead_pos9

    The newest buzzword in our politics is lawfare, or using the legal system as a weapon against a political opponent. It sits before us now as a spectacle of political gluttony. How many lawsuits, court motions and judgments against Donald Trump can the Democratic Party chow down? More disturbing is the high price the American system may pay for this excess.

    Consider the groaning table.

    A Manhattan jury awarded author E. Jean Carroll $83.3 million in a defamation suit against Mr. Trump, who posted a $91.6 million bond, including interest.

    New York Judge Arthur Engoron has ordered Mr. Trump to pay a total of $450 million in a civil fraud trial over valuations of his net worth. New York State Attorney General Letitia James says if the massive bond isn’t posted, she’ll seize Mr. Trump’s New York buildings.

    In Georgia, notwithstanding the mess Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis made of herself and her case, the fact remains she indicted Mr. Trump and 18 other defendants for violating the state’s Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act in connection with the 2020 presidential election. The presiding judge dismissed six of the 41 counts Wednesday.

    Colorado, Maine and Illinois took various legal actions to ban Mr. Trump from the 2024 presidential ballot, efforts recently blocked by a unanimous Supreme Court decision.

    Special counsel Jack Smith is attempting to bring Mr. Trump to trial on separate sets of federal charges, one over possession of classified documents, another for the former president’s actions the day of the 2021 Capitol riot. The issue of presidential immunity in the latter case goes before the Supreme Court next month.

    And of course a trial will begin March 25 in Manhattan, brought by local prosecutor Alvin Bragg, in which Mr. Trump is accused of disguising hush-money payments during the 2016 presidential campaign to porn star Stormy Daniels.

    The argument on behalf of this really quite unprecedented legal offensive boils down to one idea: No one is above the law. True. That view is sometimes known as ensuring respect for the law. My single-sentence reply is that the Democrats’ use of lawfare on this scale makes it likely that respect for the law will decline, and dangerously so, among much of the American public.

    If Democrats had limited their legal offensive to Mr. Smith’s two federal initiatives, conservatives would have absorbed it as politics as usual, however degraded that benchmark. But the American left never knows when to stop, so it is waging the get-Trump legal assault on every imaginable front.

    Biden classified-document special counsel Robert Hur, exercising prosecutorial discretion, said the current president isn’t exonerated but won’t be prosecuted, leaving Joe Biden to the court of public opinion, which is where both of 2024’s presidential candidates belong. Instead, the Republican nominee stands in dock after endless dock.

    That the lawsuits have backfired politically, boosting Mr. Trump into an easy victory in the primaries, is incontestable. The media lately has been writing that the Trump legal team’s strategy of “delay” is working, implying that Mr. Trump was supposed to take it all passively in the neck.

    At least half the country is coming to believe that the legal system is being swallowed by rank political partisanship. Worth it?

    It’s been some 400 years since Shakespeare wrote, “The first thing we do is, let’s kill all the lawyers.” Most people in the centuries since came to believe—and established—that the rule of law was better than the law of the jungle. But that could change. Future Republican lawfare is inevitable. In an interview last fall, Mr. Trump said “it could certainly happen in reverse.”

    Another new word in our politics is “rigged.” The excesses of lawfare have contributed to that systemic loss of faith as well. The 2020 election wasn’t rigged, but a lot else looks like it is, most notably calls by the left to pack the Supreme Court, rigging its decisions. Eventually, respect for the law starts to look like a mug’s game.

    To my knowledge, Shakespeare never wrote, “kill all the scientists.” Science also spent the past 400 years establishing its credibility with the public. That’s eroding as science has been enlisted, by scientists no less, to serve political goals.

    Appeals to “science” were used during the Covid pandemic to reorder society—with school closings, store shutdowns and social distancing. Dissenters within the science community were suppressed and ostracized, as has happened for years to scientists who disagree with the climate “consensus.”

    Like lawfare, the results of sciencefare were predictable. Pew Research reported in November that public trust in scientists was in decline. Nearly 40% of Republicans or Republican-leaning independents have little or no confidence in scientists. How can that be good?

    The hyperpoliticization of these important professions is being carried out by people once known as the best and the brightest. It reflects a steady moral corruption of crucial institutions. It normalizes the hypocrisy of standing on the moral high ground to deploy the lowest political means.

    The American public needed a presidential election this year on the merits, such as they are. Instead, legal opportunism may cast the biggest vote.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • MikM Offline
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      They never knew when to stop during his first term either.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        You think that filing in Michigan was a one-off?

        Nope...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • 89th8 Offline
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          89th
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          #4

          Where there’s smoke there’s fire, as they say?

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          • 89th8 89th

            Where there’s smoke there’s fire, as they say?

            JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
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            @89th said in The Price of Lawfare:

            Where there’s smoke there’s fire, as they say?

            Explain, please.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              89th
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              #6

              Most fires involve carbonaceous fuels such as wood, paper, plastics, petroleum, or textiles. When these fuels do not burn completely because of a deficiency of oxygen, the conversion of carbon into carbon dioxide and water is impeded; and free carbon, or soot, appears as smoke.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
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                #7

                And your schoolmates let you live?😄

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  In the NDA Hush Money trial in New York, Trumps lawyers want to subpoena some of the people involved in the case - you know, the people who paid and received the money. In particular, his attorneys want records of communication between Cohen and Clifford ("Stormy").

                  Judge says no.

                  image.jpeg

                  I would love to know the reasons.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
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                    Seems relevant.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
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                      #10

                      The fix is in.

                      Four trials, four venues, prosecutors pushing very hard to have the trials during the campaign season, relentlessly pursuing any conviction, no matter how minor and twisting the law to do so.

                      Most likely coordinated through the Biden Whitehouse or elements within the DNC.

                      Stalin smiled.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        The fix is in.

                        Four trials, four venues, prosecutors pushing very hard to have the trials during the campaign season, relentlessly pursuing any conviction, no matter how minor and twisting the law to do so.

                        Most likely coordinated through the Biden Whitehouse or elements within the DNC.

                        Stalin smiled.

                        George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
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                        @Jolly said in The Price of Lawfare:

                        coordinated through the Biden Whitehouse

                        Well, we discovered, this week, that the White House coordinated with the director of the National Archives and Records Administration to stop negotiating about the records so that they could start a criminal investigation.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          In the NDA Hush Money trial in New York, Trumps lawyers want to subpoena some of the people involved in the case - you know, the people who paid and received the money. In particular, his attorneys want records of communication between Cohen and Clifford ("Stormy").

                          Judge says no.

                          image.jpeg

                          I would love to know the reasons.

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on last edited by
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                          @George-K said in The Price of Lawfare:

                          I would love to know the reasons.

                          It is unfortunate that the picture stopped at the point the judges was giving their reasons.

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                          • George KG George K

                            @Jolly said in The Price of Lawfare:

                            coordinated through the Biden Whitehouse

                            Well, we discovered, this week, that the White House coordinated with the director of the National Archives and Records Administration to stop negotiating about the records so that they could start a criminal investigation.

                            JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
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                            @George-K said in The Price of Lawfare:

                            @Jolly said in The Price of Lawfare:

                            coordinated through the Biden Whitehouse

                            Well, we discovered, this week, that the White House coordinated with the director of the National Archives and Records Administration to stop negotiating about the records so that they could start a criminal investigation.

                            We also know there was communication between the Whitehouse and the Fulton County DA's office.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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