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  • MikM Offline
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    wrote on last edited by Mik
    #139

    Interesting observation, Ax, and I think you are right.

    I'm working closely with a Chinese analyst who, while he has been here 13 years, is still guided by his upbringing and Chinese culture. I find myself studying the topic of guanxi and starting to understand how he views relationships with his co-workers. It's challenging and at times frustrating. The guy is technically brilliant, but his ways are often not received well by his American co-workers. My real task here is not the amount of technical work I do, but to help the team learn to work more effectively with him.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      Interesting observation, Ax, and I think you are right.

      I'm working closely with a Chinese analyst who, while he has been here 13 years, is still guided by his upbringing and Chinese culture. I find myself studying the topic of guanxi and starting to understand how he views relationships with his co-workers. It's challenging and at times frustrating. The guy is technically brilliant, but his ways are often not received well by his American co-workers. My real task here is not the amount of technical work I do, but to help the team learn to work more effectively with him.

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      @Mik said in Chinese Spy Balloon:

      Interesting observation, Ax, and I think you are right.

      It's challenging and at times frustrating. The guy is technically brilliant, but his ways are often not received well by his American co-workers.

      Can you cite any specifics?

      Please love yourself.

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        #141

        Recent Interview with Gen. Milley

        >After the Navy raised the wreckage from the bottom of the Atlantic, technical experts discovered the balloon's sensors had never been activated while over the Continental United States.

        But by then, the damage to U.S.-China relations had been done. On May 21, President Biden remarked, "This silly balloon that was carrying two freight cars' worth of spying equipment was flying over the United States, and it got shot down, and everything changed in terms of talking to one another."

        So, Martin asked, "Bottom line, it was a spy balloon, but it wasn't spying?"

        Milley replied, "I would say it was a spy balloon that we know with high degree of certainty got no intelligence, and didn't transmit any intelligence back to China."

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        • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

          Recent Interview with Gen. Milley

          >After the Navy raised the wreckage from the bottom of the Atlantic, technical experts discovered the balloon's sensors had never been activated while over the Continental United States.

          But by then, the damage to U.S.-China relations had been done. On May 21, President Biden remarked, "This silly balloon that was carrying two freight cars' worth of spying equipment was flying over the United States, and it got shot down, and everything changed in terms of talking to one another."

          So, Martin asked, "Bottom line, it was a spy balloon, but it wasn't spying?"

          Milley replied, "I would say it was a spy balloon that we know with high degree of certainty got no intelligence, and didn't transmit any intelligence back to China."

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          @taiwan_girl said in Chinese Spy Balloon:

          So, Martin asked, "Bottom line, it was a spy balloon, but it wasn't spying?"

          Milley replied, "I would say it was a spy balloon that we know with high degree of certainty got no intelligence, and didn't transmit any intelligence back to China."

          Another way to put that is "I didn't inhale."

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • MikM Offline
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            I’m thinking the general would appreciate a large investment in my fine Florida swampland.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              #144

              Even if the professional intelligence personnel say "the spy balloon is not spying," the politicians would still grand-stand and claim that (1) you cannot be sure that it's not spying, and (2) demand that it be shot down on a race to appear most hawkish on national security. The military would still get pressured by these politicians to shoot down the spy balloon that they're pretty sure wasn't actually spying.

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              • George KG Offline
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                #145

                Here we go again...

                https://www.cbsnews.com/news/military-tracking-balloon-western-us-military/?linkId=335267968

                The U.S. is tracking a high-altitude balloon flying over the Western part of the country, U.S. officials told CBS News. Military aircraft have spotted the balloon and determined it is not a threat, but its origin and purpose are still unknown, the officials said.

                Sources familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity said the balloon was drifting east in the jetstream on Friday at an altitude of more than 40,000 feet. Its presence prompted enough concern that the military sent aircraft to investigate.

                One official said the balloon was over Colorado earlier in the day and was expected to be over Georgia by Friday night. The official said the balloon appeared to be made of Mylar and had a small cube-shaped box, about two feet long on each side, hanging below it.

                The developments come one year after tensions between the U.S. and China ratcheted to new heights after a Chinese balloon carrying sophisticated spying equipment flew over the continental U.S. for several days.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • MikM Offline
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                  #146

                  It's over the western US where there is essentially nothing. Shoot it down. they would not be doing this if the information were not of some value, even if it's tracking wind drift.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Mik

                    It's over the western US where there is essentially nothing. Shoot it down. they would not be doing this if the information were not of some value, even if it's tracking wind drift.

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                    #147

                    @Mik said in Chinese Spy Balloon:

                    the information were not of some value, even if it's tracking wind drift.

                    Surely the balloon's owner is carefully tracking any and all reactions to the balloon. Any radar tracking, especially from weapons or interception by aircraft or drones will be duly noted.

                    Hopefully we having guys watching the balloon and learning from it.

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      It seems like we could just snag the damn thing out of the air. i mean, we can refuel planes in flight. Surely a crew on a C47 could just grab it.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        #149

                        Or shoot a laser at it. Or BB gun. Or blow dart.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          #150

                          Nuclear fallout patterns...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            True but that data is so incredibly available and open, I can’t imagine the balloon provides any insights.

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              First photo:

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                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                #153

                                Again?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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