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  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

    @Horace said in "Gay not Queer":

    This place is extremely disappointing with all the homophobia and racism.

    You sneer, however there's nothing quite like watching a bunch of middle aged heterosexual white guys sit around talking about race, sexuality and the problems with young people today. It's bordering on Pythonesque.

    My apologies if I'm expressing a non-consensus opinion, I may have missed the meeting where we all get together to decide what the groupthinks.

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    @Doctor-Phibes said in "Gay not Queer":

    @Horace said in "Gay not Queer":

    This place is extremely disappointing with all the homophobia and racism.

    You sneer, however there's nothing quite like watching a bunch of middle aged heterosexual white guys sit around talking about race, sexuality and the problems with young people today. It's bordering on Pythonesque.

    My apologies if I'm expressing a non-consensus opinion, I may have missed the meeting where we all get together to decide what the groupthinks.

    Yeah, bitching against prepubescent girls having mastectomies and boys and girls being prescribed chemical castration drugs is totally the same thing as bitching that the Beatles needed a haircut.

    The Brad

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      @Doctor-Phibes said in "Gay not Queer":

      @Horace said in "Gay not Queer":

      This place is extremely disappointing with all the homophobia and racism.

      You sneer, however there's nothing quite like watching a bunch of middle aged heterosexual white guys sit around talking about race, sexuality and the problems with young people today. It's bordering on Pythonesque.

      My apologies if I'm expressing a non-consensus opinion, I may have missed the meeting where we all get together to decide what the groupthinks.

      Yeah, bitching against prepubescent girls having mastectomies and boys and girls being prescribed chemical castration drugs is totally the same thing as bitching that the Beatles needed a haircut.

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      Doctor Phibes
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      @LuFins-Dad said in "Gay not Queer":

      Yeah, bitching against prepubescent girls having mastectomies and boys and girls being prescribed chemical castration drugs is totally the same thing as bitching that the Beatles needed a haircut.

      Oh, is that what this thread was doing?

      Don't you find it obnoxious when people refer to all gay folk as 'perverts'?

      Maybe I don't fit in here any more. Joking aside, I'm getting a little fucking sick of it.

      I was only joking

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        Perverts?

        Interesting characterization. When I was a lad, that's the category in which the general public viewed homosexuals. Over time, the public has become much more accepting. Personally, I don't think it's a good lifestyle decision, but it's their life and y'all live it as y'all see fit.

        But I don't see it as a societal norm that should be celebrated or promoted.

        The problem has come from people in that community accepting and vigorously promoting more and more destructive lifestyles that aren't good for society. I think that anything that undermines a monogamous, heterosexual marriage is bad for society. I think the normalization of transvestites is bad for society. I think the vociferous and open recruitment of young people to view homosexuals and lesbians as just another societal norm is harmful to society. I think the coercion of young people to become gay is bad for society.

        And I think the current gender-fluid movement and drive to medically intervene into what constitutes male and female in children and teenagers is beyond perversion, I think it criminal and worthy of time in prison. The movement and mass hysteria are bad for society, with horrific, irreversible consequences for the individual.

        We've come a very long way, in a very short time, from "Live and let live".

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • 89th8 89th

          Growing up my friends and I would play the game “smear the queer”. As a kid, it was just the name of the game (you run with a ball and try not to get tackled, if you are, you throw the ball up and the next person to catch it has to run away until tackled)

          Anyway my parents would often say we shouldn’t use the name Smear the Queer. As I got older I understood why. Getting tackled by other boys and fighting for ball is super GEIGH.

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          @89th said in "Gay not Queer":

          Growing up my friends and I would play the game “smear the queer”.

          In my day we called that Bag the Fag.

          They’ll end up, after a lot of drama, with the same formula they use every time they have a trifecta: take away health care and food assistance from low income families and use the money to fund tax cuts for their donors.

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            Perverts?

            Interesting characterization. When I was a lad, that's the category in which the general public viewed homosexuals. Over time, the public has become much more accepting. Personally, I don't think it's a good lifestyle decision, but it's their life and y'all live it as y'all see fit.

            But I don't see it as a societal norm that should be celebrated or promoted.

            The problem has come from people in that community accepting and vigorously promoting more and more destructive lifestyles that aren't good for society. I think that anything that undermines a monogamous, heterosexual marriage is bad for society. I think the normalization of transvestites is bad for society. I think the vociferous and open recruitment of young people to view homosexuals and lesbians as just another societal norm is harmful to society. I think the coercion of young people to become gay is bad for society.

            And I think the current gender-fluid movement and drive to medically intervene into what constitutes male and female in children and teenagers is beyond perversion, I think it criminal and worthy of time in prison. The movement and mass hysteria are bad for society, with horrific, irreversible consequences for the individual.

            We've come a very long way, in a very short time, from "Live and let live".

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            Doctor Phibes
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            @Jolly said in "Gay not Queer":

            We've come a very long way, in a very short time, from "Live and let live".

            I haven't. That's how I feel about it.

            The fact that there are activists pushing a harmful agenda is one thing. Demonizing homosexuals en masse as 'perverts' is something else. Obviously, Copper is trolling for attention when he does this, and I'm probably giving it to him by complaining about it, but I've got friends and loved ones who are gay, as I'm sure others here have, and I get sick of the bullshit.

            I think that anything that undermines a monogamous, heterosexual marriage is bad for society.

            And expecting homosexuals to have a monogamous, heterosexual marriage is just plain dumb. You clearly don't want them to marry one another. You'd rather they just hide in the background so we don't have to think about them?

            I was only joking

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              The word “gay” has multiple meanings, including “happy.” Since one can be “happy” without being “queer,” the phrase “gay not queer” is not illogical.

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                The word "queer" has multiple meanings, including "odd." Since one can be "odd" without being "gay," the phrase gay not queer is not illogical.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Doctor Phibes
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                  #25

                  The word 'odd' also has multiple meanings. Not divisible by two, for example. Is that why people don't want gay marriage - mathematical incongruity?

                  Well, there goes the weekend.

                  I was only joking

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    The word 'odd' also has multiple meanings. Not divisible by two, for example. Is that why people don't want gay marriage - mathematical incongruity?

                    Well, there goes the weekend.

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                    @Doctor-Phibes said in "Gay not Queer":

                    The word 'odd' also has multiple meanings. Not divisible by two, for example. Is that why people don't want gay marriage - mathematical incongruity?

                    Check transitivity.

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      @Jolly said in "Gay not Queer":

                      We've come a very long way, in a very short time, from "Live and let live".

                      I haven't. That's how I feel about it.

                      The fact that there are activists pushing a harmful agenda is one thing. Demonizing homosexuals en masse as 'perverts' is something else. Obviously, Copper is trolling for attention when he does this, and I'm probably giving it to him by complaining about it, but I've got friends and loved ones who are gay, as I'm sure others here have, and I get sick of the bullshit.

                      I think that anything that undermines a monogamous, heterosexual marriage is bad for society.

                      And expecting homosexuals to have a monogamous, heterosexual marriage is just plain dumb. You clearly don't want them to marry one another. You'd rather they just hide in the background so we don't have to think about them?

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                      @Doctor-Phibes

                      Demonizing homosexuals en masse as 'perverts' is something else. Obviously, Copper is trolling for attention when he does this, and I'm probably giving it to him by complaining about it….

                      Like you I find the demonising obnoxious as well. You are also right in calling out the snark for what it is. I certainly do not see it as feeding the troll.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                        @Jolly said in "Gay not Queer":

                        We've come a very long way, in a very short time, from "Live and let live".

                        I haven't. That's how I feel about it.

                        The fact that there are activists pushing a harmful agenda is one thing. Demonizing homosexuals en masse as 'perverts' is something else. Obviously, Copper is trolling for attention when he does this, and I'm probably giving it to him by complaining about it, but I've got friends and loved ones who are gay, as I'm sure others here have, and I get sick of the bullshit.

                        I think that anything that undermines a monogamous, heterosexual marriage is bad for society.

                        And expecting homosexuals to have a monogamous, heterosexual marriage is just plain dumb. You clearly don't want them to marry one another. You'd rather they just hide in the background so we don't have to think about them?

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                        @Doctor-Phibes said in "Gay not Queer":

                        as I'm sure others here have, and I get sick of the bullshit.

                        When others have taken a topic more seriously than you because they have personal experience with it and you don't, you've found their reaction funny.

                        Please love yourself.

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                        • MikM Away
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                          I don’t think it’s trolling. Copper has been consistent in his views from day one. I have not heard him call for any sort of punishment or isolation of the practitioners.

                          I do find it interesting that much of the gay community wishes to distance itself from people they view with the same disdain they were once viewed with and fought against for decades.

                          Drag is a centuries, maybe millennia, old entertainment, but I think it should be for adults, not children.

                          I myself have great disdain for the transsexual fantasies being sold to our children, and with those who wish to normalize pedophilia.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            Perverts?

                            Interesting characterization. When I was a lad, that's the category in which the general public viewed homosexuals. Over time, the public has become much more accepting. Personally, I don't think it's a good lifestyle decision, but it's their life and y'all live it as y'all see fit.

                            But I don't see it as a societal norm that should be celebrated or promoted.

                            The problem has come from people in that community accepting and vigorously promoting more and more destructive lifestyles that aren't good for society. I think that anything that undermines a monogamous, heterosexual marriage is bad for society. I think the normalization of transvestites is bad for society. I think the vociferous and open recruitment of young people to view homosexuals and lesbians as just another societal norm is harmful to society. I think the coercion of young people to become gay is bad for society.

                            And I think the current gender-fluid movement and drive to medically intervene into what constitutes male and female in children and teenagers is beyond perversion, I think it criminal and worthy of time in prison. The movement and mass hysteria are bad for society, with horrific, irreversible consequences for the individual.

                            We've come a very long way, in a very short time, from "Live and let live".

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                            @Jolly said in "Gay not Queer":

                            but it's their life and y'all live it as y'all see fit.

                            I am the same. I think (at least in my mind) that I am one of the most non-judgmental people. People are different. That is what makes the world interesting.

                            But I don't see ....... .......... that should be celebrated or promoted.

                            I (mostly) agree with it. I don't want to see two heterosexual people walking almost naked down the street or almost having sex in public. I don't want to see two homosexual people doing it either.

                            I remember way back that I attended the Gay Pride parade in Chicago. Some of the costumes, attire, etc. were kind of embarrassing for me to see.

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                            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in "Gay not Queer":

                              as I'm sure others here have, and I get sick of the bullshit.

                              When others have taken a topic more seriously than you because they have personal experience with it and you don't, you've found their reaction funny.

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                              Doctor Phibes
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                              @Aqua-Letifer said in "Gay not Queer":

                              @Doctor-Phibes said in "Gay not Queer":

                              as I'm sure others here have, and I get sick of the bullshit.

                              When others have taken a topic more seriously than you because they have personal experience with it and you don't, you've found their reaction funny.

                              Yeah, I'm imperfect. Shock horror.

                              However, I do at least try to be humorous. I know I don't always succeed. Do you think what people write about gays being disgusting is intended to be funny?

                              I was only joking

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                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/cat-killer-found-guilty-of-murdering-man-walking-home-from-night-out/ar-BB1iM4z6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=51b96a473b174846834cc8af5b783db7&ei=14

                                A transgender cat killer has been found guilty of murdering a stranger on his way home.

                                Scarlet Blake, 26, killed Jorge Carreno, 30, in July 2021 by hitting him in the back of the head with a vodka bottle before strangling him and pushing him into the River Cherwell where he drowned, Oxford Crown Court heard.

                                The court heard how Blake had killed a cat four months before the murder, placing the animal in a blender.

                                Prosecutors said Blake, who denied murder, had an “extreme interest in death and in harm” and got sexual gratification from violence and killings.

                                As he summed up the facts on Thursday, Judge Chamberlain told the jury: “You know the defendant is a transgender woman - in other words someone who was identified as male at birth and then transitioned to live as a woman.

                                “The fact she is trans on its own has no particular relevance to this case. It doesn’t make it any more or less likely that she is guilty of the offence with which she is charged.”

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                  @Jolly said in "Gay not Queer":

                                  We've come a very long way, in a very short time, from "Live and let live".

                                  I haven't. That's how I feel about it.

                                  The fact that there are activists pushing a harmful agenda is one thing. Demonizing homosexuals en masse as 'perverts' is something else. Obviously, Copper is trolling for attention when he does this, and I'm probably giving it to him by complaining about it, but I've got friends and loved ones who are gay, as I'm sure others here have, and I get sick of the bullshit.

                                  I think that anything that undermines a monogamous, heterosexual marriage is bad for society.

                                  And expecting homosexuals to have a monogamous, heterosexual marriage is just plain dumb. You clearly don't want them to marry one another. You'd rather they just hide in the background so we don't have to think about them?

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                                  @Doctor-Phibes said in "Gay not Queer":

                                  Demonizing homosexuals en masse as 'perverts' is something else.

                                  The word was invented to identify the practice that identifies one as a homosexual.

                                  The word is fine, demonizing the word doesn't change the meaning.

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                                    Is it really so obvious that people who feel compelled to change their sex, aren't suffering from a mental malady? Or is that just a bit of cultural programming that people parrot because it's considered evil not to parrot it?

                                    Of course that's not to say most transgender people are anti-social in any way. Most psycopaths aren't even anti-social in their behavior. Most mentally ill people are not anti-social.

                                    But then, some mentally ill people engage in death threats over the internet against courageous truth tellers and reporters of the most crucial issues of our time. The mental illness must be admitted as a factor.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/cat-killer-found-guilty-of-murdering-man-walking-home-from-night-out/ar-BB1iM4z6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=51b96a473b174846834cc8af5b783db7&ei=14

                                      A transgender cat killer has been found guilty of murdering a stranger on his way home.

                                      Scarlet Blake, 26, killed Jorge Carreno, 30, in July 2021 by hitting him in the back of the head with a vodka bottle before strangling him and pushing him into the River Cherwell where he drowned, Oxford Crown Court heard.

                                      The court heard how Blake had killed a cat four months before the murder, placing the animal in a blender.

                                      Prosecutors said Blake, who denied murder, had an “extreme interest in death and in harm” and got sexual gratification from violence and killings.

                                      As he summed up the facts on Thursday, Judge Chamberlain told the jury: “You know the defendant is a transgender woman - in other words someone who was identified as male at birth and then transitioned to live as a woman.

                                      “The fact she is trans on its own has no particular relevance to this case. It doesn’t make it any more or less likely that she is guilty of the offence with which she is charged.”

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                                      Doctor Phibes
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                                      @Horace said in "Gay not Queer":

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/cat-killer-found-guilty-of-murdering-man-walking-home-from-night-out/ar-BB1iM4z6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=51b96a473b174846834cc8af5b783db7&ei=14

                                      A transgender cat killer has been found guilty of murdering a stranger on his way home.

                                      On average, Americans murder 4 times as many people as British people. I'm not sure whether those statistics also apply to transgender Americans, but clearly I'm a lot less of a threat than you are.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                                        @Horace said in "Gay not Queer":

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/cat-killer-found-guilty-of-murdering-man-walking-home-from-night-out/ar-BB1iM4z6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=51b96a473b174846834cc8af5b783db7&ei=14

                                        A transgender cat killer has been found guilty of murdering a stranger on his way home.

                                        On average, Americans murder 4 times as many people as British people. I'm not sure whether those statistics also apply to transgender Americans, but clearly I'm a lot less of a threat than you are.

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                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in "Gay not Queer":

                                        @Horace said in "Gay not Queer":

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/cat-killer-found-guilty-of-murdering-man-walking-home-from-night-out/ar-BB1iM4z6?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=51b96a473b174846834cc8af5b783db7&ei=14

                                        A transgender cat killer has been found guilty of murdering a stranger on his way home.

                                        On average, Americans murder 4 times as many people as British people. I'm not sure whether those statistics also apply to transgender Americans, but clearly I'm a lot less of a threat than you are.

                                        We probably don't want to dive into that statistic too deeply, lest we encounter yet another topic upon which people who look a certain way are not allowed to opine.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          Is it really so obvious that people who feel compelled to change their sex, aren't suffering from a mental malady? Or is that just a bit of cultural programming that people parrot because it's considered evil not to parrot it?

                                          Of course that's not to say most transgender people are anti-social in any way. Most psycopaths aren't even anti-social in their behavior. Most mentally ill people are not anti-social.

                                          But then, some mentally ill people engage in death threats over the internet against courageous truth tellers and reporters of the most crucial issues of our time. The mental illness must be admitted as a factor.

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                                          Doctor Phibes
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                                          @Horace said in "Gay not Queer":

                                          s it really so obvious that people who feel compelled to change their sex, aren't suffering from a mental malady?

                                          Roughly 20% of the population suffer from some form of mental illness. 5% suffer from severe mental illness.

                                          I'd guess the actual numbers are quite a bit higher, since so much goes unreported or undiagnosed.

                                          Of course, we can do statistics all day long, but mental issues aren't exactly uncommon.

                                          I was only joking

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