People are just no damn good.
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Sending thoughts and prayers as that has worked quite well in the past.
(Not trying to minimize the tragedy. It is just this seems to happen over and over and over again in the US.)
@taiwan_girl said in People are just no damn good.:
Sending thoughts and prayers as that has worked quite well in the past.
(Not trying to minimize the tragedy. It is just this seems to happen over and over and over again in the US.)
No googling… Answer these questions based on your own perceptions based on media and reporting…
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How many people were killed in the US IN 2023 by Mass Shootings (4 or more people shot). 2022? 2021?
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of those people, how many do you think were gang related, domestic abuse related, organized terror related, and the isolated crazy lone gunman spree killer?
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How many do you think were killed by AR 15 style “assault rifles”? How many by 9 millimeter hand guns?
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how many lives do you think would have been saved by severe gun laws against assault rifles and such?
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- 1,000
- I'm dumb, not sure I get the question. Isn't that all of them? But in general, I bet 95% were not-terror/spree related.
- 5% AR, 95% handgun
- 3
To reduce gun violence, I think of the following, realistic or not:
- Blackout rule (aka do not publish) the name/face of any mass shooter.
- Severely strict rules on illegal gun possession, especially in violent cities.
- Gun storage laws. Aka... a parent must keep their firearm from access by their kid.
- Perhaps already in place, but basic criminal/mental health check before someone can purchase a firearm.
- Similar to a driver's license, to posses a gun, require a valid gun license that includes passing a gun safety and laws test. I know this conflicts with 2nd amendment a bit. Maybe #4 does, as well. But I think ideas 1-3 would cut down the most on unnecessary gun-related homicides. (Not even talking about suicides, which is the majority of gun deaths)
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- 1,000
- I'm dumb, not sure I get the question. Isn't that all of them? But in general, I bet 95% were not-terror/spree related.
- 5% AR, 95% handgun
- 3
To reduce gun violence, I think of the following, realistic or not:
- Blackout rule (aka do not publish) the name/face of any mass shooter.
- Severely strict rules on illegal gun possession, especially in violent cities.
- Gun storage laws. Aka... a parent must keep their firearm from access by their kid.
- Perhaps already in place, but basic criminal/mental health check before someone can purchase a firearm.
- Similar to a driver's license, to posses a gun, require a valid gun license that includes passing a gun safety and laws test. I know this conflicts with 2nd amendment a bit. Maybe #4 does, as well. But I think ideas 1-3 would cut down the most on unnecessary gun-related homicides. (Not even talking about suicides, which is the majority of gun deaths)
@89th said in People are just no damn good.:
- Blackout rule (aka do not publish) the name/face of any mass shooter.
You're severely overestimating how many of them do this for notoriety. Most know full well they have a very good chance of not surviving themselves. Assuming it's indeed a mass shooting and not gang violence, the idea is to hurt as many of the most innocent people you can think of in as little time as possible. That's what nearly every single one has told those who have interviewed them in prison. Telling the news not to report on the incidents isn't going to turn away people who have gotten to a point where they start thinking in this way.
As for gangs, street cred > news articles.
- Perhaps already in place, but basic criminal/mental health check before someone can purchase a firearm.
The right kind of background checks would work better. Shrinks can't be as trusted as they used to for myriad reasons, not all their own doing. But a lot of these fuckers make themselves and their psychoses known online.
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75 total deaths last year. 74 the year before. 2017 was the worst with 117. Thousands of people are not dying in mass shootings every year.
Of these 74-75, 45-50 are domestic violence. Guy killing his wife, kids, then himself type of stuff. Most often with handguns and maybe a shotgun. Guns that generally aren’t covered by most of the proposed legislation.
The next largest group is gang related. Generally bad guys killing bad guys account for about 35% of the victims. There are a few innocent bystanders, but only a few. Most are killed with handguns that were acquired illegally and wouldn’t be impacted by most of the proposed legislation.
The spree shooter (school, movie theater, nightclub) type of attack happens extremely rarely, despite all we hear about it. One occurs, and suddenly it’s on the news with journalists talking about this being the 272 mass shooting of the year… Those other 271 shootings bare no resemblance to the spree shooter. By relating the two you are creating a terrifying image that simply has nothing to do with reality. The other thing that the media will reference are “school shootings”. There were 150 school shootings in 2022. Terrifying, no? Well, not really. Almost all of those were gang related and not mass shootings. Just one wannabe gang banger taking out another. And while that’s horrible, it’s not nearly the same as pointing to the spree shooting and implying there were 149 just like it…
The Brad
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I remember a statistic that only 3% of gun-related deaths are due to "long guns," ie, rifles, so-called "assault rifles" etc.
@LuFins-Dad said in People are just no damn good.:
. There were 150 school shootings in 2022. Terrifying, no? Well, not really. Almost all of those were gang related and not mass shootings.
And to qualify as a "school shooting," it has to be within a rather wide radius of the school (2 blocks, I believe), not ON the school grounds.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-20-455.pdf
The location of the shootings more often took
place outside the school building than inside
the school building, but shootings inside were
more deadly, according to the data. Shootings
resulting from disputes occurred more often
outside school buildings, whereas accidents
and school-targeted shootings occurred more
often inside school buildings.
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I remember a statistic that only 3% of gun-related deaths are due to "long guns," ie, rifles, so-called "assault rifles" etc.
@LuFins-Dad said in People are just no damn good.:
. There were 150 school shootings in 2022. Terrifying, no? Well, not really. Almost all of those were gang related and not mass shootings.
And to qualify as a "school shooting," it has to be within a rather wide radius of the school (2 blocks, I believe), not ON the school grounds.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-20-455.pdf
The location of the shootings more often took
place outside the school building than inside
the school building, but shootings inside were
more deadly, according to the data. Shootings
resulting from disputes occurred more often
outside school buildings, whereas accidents
and school-targeted shootings occurred more
often inside school buildings.@George-K said in People are just no damn good.:
I remember a statistic that only 3% of gun-related deaths are due to "long guns," ie, rifles, so-called "assault rifles" etc.
@LuFins-Dad said in People are just no damn good.:
. There were 150 school shootings in 2022. Terrifying, no? Well, not really. Almost all of those were gang related and not mass shootings.
And to qualify as a "school shooting," it has to be within a rather wide radius of the school (2 blocks, I believe), not ON the school grounds.
https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-20-455.pdf
The location of the shootings more often took
place outside the school building than inside
the school building, but shootings inside were
more deadly, according to the data. Shootings
resulting from disputes occurred more often
outside school buildings, whereas accidents
and school-targeted shootings occurred more
often inside school buildings.And most “school shootings” occur in the evening. Mostly in the parking lots at athletic competitions.
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75 total deaths last year. 74 the year before. 2017 was the worst with 117. Thousands of people are not dying in mass shootings every year.
Of these 74-75, 45-50 are domestic violence. Guy killing his wife, kids, then himself type of stuff. Most often with handguns and maybe a shotgun. Guns that generally aren’t covered by most of the proposed legislation.
The next largest group is gang related. Generally bad guys killing bad guys account for about 35% of the victims. There are a few innocent bystanders, but only a few. Most are killed with handguns that were acquired illegally and wouldn’t be impacted by most of the proposed legislation.
The spree shooter (school, movie theater, nightclub) type of attack happens extremely rarely, despite all we hear about it. One occurs, and suddenly it’s on the news with journalists talking about this being the 272 mass shooting of the year… Those other 271 shootings bare no resemblance to the spree shooter. By relating the two you are creating a terrifying image that simply has nothing to do with reality. The other thing that the media will reference are “school shootings”. There were 150 school shootings in 2022. Terrifying, no? Well, not really. Almost all of those were gang related and not mass shootings. Just one wannabe gang banger taking out another. And while that’s horrible, it’s not nearly the same as pointing to the spree shooting and implying there were 149 just like it…
@LuFins-Dad said in People are just no damn good.:
75 total deaths last year. 74 the year before. 2017 was the worst with 117. Thousands of people are not dying in mass shootings every year.
Juggling kids right now so I haven’t read more but are you sure your numbers are right?
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@LuFins-Dad said in People are just no damn good.:
75 total deaths last year. 74 the year before. 2017 was the worst with 117. Thousands of people are not dying in mass shootings every year.
Juggling kids right now so I haven’t read more but are you sure your numbers are right?
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@LuFins-Dad said in People are just no damn good.:
75 total deaths last year. 74 the year before. 2017 was the worst with 117. Thousands of people are not dying in mass shootings every year.
Juggling kids right now so I haven’t read more but are you sure your numbers are right?
@89th said in People are just no damn good.:
@LuFins-Dad said in People are just no damn good.:
75 total deaths last year. 74 the year before. 2017 was the worst with 117. Thousands of people are not dying in mass shootings every year.
Juggling kids right now so I haven’t read more but are you sure your numbers are right?
As of December 5th 2023…
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I bet most. Which is what I usually think when I read headlines about there being like 300-500 mass shootings each year. People in other countries probably think they’re all terror related. Almost all aren’t.
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75 total deaths last year. 74 the year before. 2017 was the worst with 117. Thousands of people are not dying in mass shootings every year.
Of these 74-75, 45-50 are domestic violence. Guy killing his wife, kids, then himself type of stuff. Most often with handguns and maybe a shotgun. Guns that generally aren’t covered by most of the proposed legislation.
The next largest group is gang related. Generally bad guys killing bad guys account for about 35% of the victims. There are a few innocent bystanders, but only a few. Most are killed with handguns that were acquired illegally and wouldn’t be impacted by most of the proposed legislation.
The spree shooter (school, movie theater, nightclub) type of attack happens extremely rarely, despite all we hear about it. One occurs, and suddenly it’s on the news with journalists talking about this being the 272 mass shooting of the year… Those other 271 shootings bare no resemblance to the spree shooter. By relating the two you are creating a terrifying image that simply has nothing to do with reality. The other thing that the media will reference are “school shootings”. There were 150 school shootings in 2022. Terrifying, no? Well, not really. Almost all of those were gang related and not mass shootings. Just one wannabe gang banger taking out another. And while that’s horrible, it’s not nearly the same as pointing to the spree shooting and implying there were 149 just like it…
@LuFins-Dad and @George-K
Your stats on school shootings reminded me of the fear parents had after Uvalde. My friends had similar fearful comments. And I get it.
But I dug into the stats and the bottom line is your kid is 100x more likely to be killed on the commute to school than being killed in school. It’s not even close. So yes…it sucks, but don’t let extremely rare acts of violence impact your life.
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@LuFins-Dad and @George-K
Your stats on school shootings reminded me of the fear parents had after Uvalde. My friends had similar fearful comments. And I get it.
But I dug into the stats and the bottom line is your kid is 100x more likely to be killed on the commute to school than being killed in school. It’s not even close. So yes…it sucks, but don’t let extremely rare acts of violence impact your life.
@89th said in People are just no damn good.:
@LuFins-Dad and @George-K
Your stats on school shootings reminded me of the fear parents had after Uvalde. My friends had similar fearful comments. And I get it.
But I dug into the stats and the bottom line is your kid is 100x more likely to be killed on the commute to school than being killed in school. It’s not even close. So yes…it sucks, but don’t let extremely rare acts of violence impact your life.
If I recall correctly, in his book, Malcolm Gladwell made a similar comment about swimming pools and guns.
