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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #7

    Tesla...

    Musk posted a poll asking whether Tesla should move its incorporation to Texas.

    Probably some selection bias, but 87% said go.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-start-shifting-tesla-state-incorporation-to-texas-2024-2?op=1

    Musk's announcement comes after a judge in Delaware voided his $55 billion compensation package at Tesla.

    Musk isn't paid a salary for his work as Tesla CEO. Instead, his pay package is based on a series of goals that are tied to Tesla's financial growth.

    According to the package, Musk would be granted stock equivalent to 1% of Tesla's outstanding shares whenever he met the 12 tranches of growth targets.

    The ruling in Delaware could threaten Musk's title as the world's richest person, given that most of his wealth is tied to his equity in Tesla.

    "Never incorporate your company in the state of Delaware," Musk wrote on X on Tuesday.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #8

      Delaware has long been a state beneficial to incorporate in, because of tax advantages. And probably some other things I don't know about.

      Does the judge's ruling make other companies rethink some of their incorporation or business practices?

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #9

        I would.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          Delaware has long been a state beneficial to incorporate in, because of tax advantages. And probably some other things I don't know about.

          Does the judge's ruling make other companies rethink some of their incorporation or business practices?

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by George K
          #10

          @Jolly said in Judge: Musk was overpaid:

          Does the judge's ruling make other companies rethink

          I wonder if there's grounds for appeal in the case of Musk.

          Think he can afford a lawyer?

          How much revenue does Tesla generate for Delaware?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #11

            The judge:

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #12

              Delaware. Should have figured.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • JollyJ Jolly

                Delaware has long been a state beneficial to incorporate in, because of tax advantages. And probably some other things I don't know about.

                Does the judge's ruling make other companies rethink some of their incorporation or business practices?

                taiwan_girlT Offline
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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on last edited by
                #13

                @Jolly said in Judge: Musk was overpaid:

                Does the judge's ruling make other companies rethink some of their incorporation or business practices?

                I doubt it. I think this instance would be pretty rare. I think the benefits for companies are much more than the non-benefits to keep incorprorated in Delaware.

                I looked, and 70% of US based Fortune 500 companies are incorporate in Delaware.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #14

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #15

                    This could get interesting...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • 89th8 Offline
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                      89th
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                      #16

                      I'm surprised Musk has commented that he has 3x the GDP of the state of Delaware.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
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                        #17

                        Musk pulls Neuralink out of Delaware.

                        https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2024/02/10/Elon-Musk-Neuralink-Tesla-Nevada-Texas-Delaware/1091707599670/

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #18

                          Musk was overpaid, but the lawyers want $6 billion.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • MikM Away
                            MikM Away
                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #19

                            We live in a very strange time.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Mik

                              We live in a very strange time.

                              LuFins DadL Offline
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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on last edited by
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                              @Mik said in Judge: Musk was overpaid:

                              We live in a very strange time.

                              Gonna get a little worse.

                              The Brad

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                              • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                #21

                                https://apnews.com/article/musk-pay-compensation-corporate-registration-ef5e30f6b56f7d936f8c882fc1c96875

                                Tesla is asking shareholders to restore a $56 billion pay package for CEO Elon Musk that was rejected by a Delaware judge this year, and to shift the company’s corporate home to Texas.

                                The changes, to be voted on by stockholders at a June 13 annual meeting, could be a tougher sell than when it was first approved in 2018. The Austin, Texas, electric vehicle maker is struggling with falling global sales, slowing electric vehicle demand, an aging model lineup and a stock price that has tumbled 37% so far this year.

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
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                                  All of which is irrelevant. The bar was set, the compensation defined. He exceeded the requirements. Pay him.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    All of which is irrelevant. The bar was set, the compensation defined. He exceeded the requirements. Pay him.

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                                    taiwan_girl
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                                    #23

                                    @Mik I agree. If that was the rules/outline to begin with, tough to back out now.

                                    Now, whether he is worth that payment is another question.

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #24

                                      Doesn't matter. That was the deal.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        taiwan_girl
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #25

                                        https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/09/business/elon-musk-pay-package-shareholder-vote/index.html

                                        The answer will come Thursday, when Tesla holds its annual shareholders meeting and announces results of shareholder votes on two proposals. One would once again approve the package of 303 million split-adjusted stock options, worth $46.9 billion as of Friday’s closing price. That’s down from the $51 billion those options were worth at the time of the decision.

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                                          taiwan_girl
                                          wrote on last edited by
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                                          https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-14/tesla-shareholders-approve-elon-musk-billion-dollar-pay-package/103977172

                                          Tesla shareholders have approved CEO Elon Musk's record-breaking pay package in a show of approval for the billionaire's management.

                                          The vote is a victory for Mr Musk, who had campaigned fiercely for the payout, which is worth up to $US56 billion ($84 billion) — the exact amount depends on the Tesla share price, according to the BBC.

                                          Shareholders also approved a proposal to move the company's legal home to Texas from Delaware, alongside three other approvals including the re-election of two board members: Mr Musk's brother, Kimbal Musk, and James Murdoch, son of media mogul Rupert Murdoch.

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