Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity."

[Jolly]

@Renauda said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

@Jolly said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

@Doctor-Phibes said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

@LuFins-Dad said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

What I don’t get is the great support he has when most of his positions are contrary to the deeply held convictions of his supporters.

He's not a man, he's a movement.

You staggered into the Truth.

Since you capitalised the “T”, you cannot tell us that you don’t believe he is a modern day Moses.

No, but I think many misunderstand Trump's support at its most basic level. And it's not populism.

[Renauda]

It’s populism. The same sort of populism that Erdogan, Orban and Putin appeal to and manipulate. In Trump’s case he’s a finely tailored combination of Huey Long and George Wallace.

Edit: quite likely a fair bit of Juan Peron in there as well.

[Jolly]

I disagree. I lived through Wallace and waded through the after effects of Huey.

[Renauda]

Then we disagree.

[Doctor Phibes]

What happens to this movement once his four years are up? So much of it is based around one guy, and win or lose, he won't be running in 2028.

Maybe his kids will run - you chaps have always secretly liked the Royal Family, so maybe the Trumps will fill a hole you didn't know you had, if you'll pardon the euphemism.

[Renauda]

I think the hope is that he will be succeeded by a younger more competent and less brash version of the American Moses. Perhaps Ron DeSantis although the more reactionary elements in the evangelical base may have some reservations about the Governor’s papist faith.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Renauda said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

I think the hope is that he will be succeeded by a younger more competent and less brash version of the American Moses. Perhaps Ron DeSantis although the more reactionary elements in the evangelical base may have some reservations about the Governor’s papist faith.

I suspect Don Jnr. might have some ambitions in that direction. It could conceivably get quite funny.

[Renauda]

@Doctor-Phibes

Never considered that. I think you might be on to something. He seems to be a chip off the old block.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

What happens to this movement once his four years are up?

Understand, this started in the TEA party movement.

1. A reduction in the size, scope and spending of the Federal government
2. Strong borders
3. No amnesty for illegal aliens.
4. Constitution Originality.
5. I'd say America First, but I think that may be just a bit much. Let us just say an intense reluctance to be the world's policeman.
6. An emphasis on fair trade
7. An emphasis on domestic production, including manufacturing, IT and energy.

[Doctor Phibes]

I'm not convinced all that stuff is what truly drives the Trump base.

[taiwan_girl]

@Renauda said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

It’s populism. The same sort of populism that Erdogan, Orban and Putin appeal to and manipulate. In Trump’s case he’s a finely tailored combination of Huey Long and George Wallace.

Edit: quite likely a fair bit of Juan Peron in there as well.

I agree. I believe that he could change some of his positions and the majority of people who support him would be in line with that and have no problem with the change.

@LuFins-Dad is correct that he will just surround himself with "yes man", even more than before. President Biden is incompetent and senile but at least he has people to keep him inside the appropriate lanes. President Tump does not have that and that is scary.

[George K]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

I'm not convinced all that stuff is what truly drives the Trump base.

What does?

[Doctor Phibes]

@George-K said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

@Doctor-Phibes said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

I'm not convinced all that stuff is what truly drives the Trump base.

What does?

I think a lot of it is his personality. The idea that he is willing to say what they think, and not just regarding political issues. Also, the fact that he's perceived as an outsider - non establishment.

Of course, these are some of the reasons why others dislike him quite so much.

[89th]

I'd agree with that.

I'd also add that Trump provided a voice to the "silent majority" in 2016 after years/decades of nearly all media (movies, music, TV, news, celebrities) pumping out liberal talking points that being conservative is closed minded, or racist, or religious is bad. The hard working folks, often in the rural areas, finally had someone who cut through the crap and said what most people think. Heck, I think of his "of course I use tax loopholes" honesty in the 2016 debate:

Link to video

[Renauda]

@Doctor-Phibes

Also, the fact that he's perceived as an outsider - non establishment.

That played well in 2016. Although it still plays well among the base it really should not. For one he is among the elite, a multi millionaire and very much a player in the establishment. Secondly, to say he is not a politician is blatantly false. He is very much a politician and one with four years of experience as POTUS. He was not such in 2016, but is now. He is no outsider, he is deep inside.

[LuFins Dad]

@Jolly said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

@Doctor-Phibes said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

What happens to this movement once his four years are up?

Understand, this started in the TEA party movement.

1. A reduction in the size, scope and spending of the Federal government
2. Strong borders
3. No amnesty for illegal aliens.
4. Constitution Originality.
5. I'd say America First, but I think that may be just a bit much. Let us just say an intense reluctance to be the world's policeman.
6. An emphasis on fair trade
7. An emphasis on domestic production, including manufacturing, IT and energy.

1. The Trump Administration increased the size, scope, and spending of the Federal Government.

2. He never completed the wall and never got the Republican Congress to take the steps necessary to improve border security. Why would he succeed this time?

3. He’s already walking that one back a bit. And he has completely backed off the mass deportations he was promising.

4. Occasionally he says the right thing there, then he says or does something to demonstrate that he is either ignorant of what it means or doesn’t really care…

5. K

6. K, but he doesn’t really talk on the subject

7. K

[LuFins Dad]

@taiwan_girl said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

@Renauda said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

It’s populism. The same sort of populism that Erdogan, Orban and Putin appeal to and manipulate. In Trump’s case he’s a finely tailored combination of Huey Long and George Wallace.

Edit: quite likely a fair bit of Juan Peron in there as well.

I agree. I believe that he could change some of his positions and the majority of people who support him would be in line with that and have no problem with the change.

@LuFins-Dad is correct that he will just surround himself with "yes man", even more than before. President Biden is incompetent and senile but at least he has people to keep him inside the appropriate lanes. President Tump does not have that and that is scary.

Biden has NOBODY keeping him between the lines. They are riding him like a midget riding Secretariat…

[LuFins Dad]

@taiwan_girl said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

@Renauda said in Maher: Make 2024 "The Year of Sanity.":

It’s populism. The same sort of populism that Erdogan, Orban and Putin appeal to and manipulate. In Trump’s case he’s a finely tailored combination of Huey Long and George Wallace.

Edit: quite likely a fair bit of Juan Peron in there as well.

I agree. I believe that he could change some of his positions and the majority of people who support him would be in line with that and have no problem with the change.

Oh, he already has, but his sTrumpets aren’t listening or paying attention. Instead they are calling Dan Friggin Crenshaw a fake republican.

[Jolly]

Vote for Biden.

And enjoy life!

[Renauda]

@LuFins-Dad

Instead they are calling Dan Friggin Crenshaw a fake republican.

Shows how well Trump has trained his base to react to any hint of deviation in the Party.