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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    I guess that so long as the WH Chief of Staff knows it’s A Okay.

    He did know didn’t he?

    Not that I really care, mind you.

    George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #15

    @Renauda said in Sec Def hospitalized:

    I guess that so long as the WH Chief of Staff knows it’s A Okay.

    He did know didn’t he?

    Unclear. But if he did, the problem is even bigger. Shouldn't he notify POTUS? I mean, his job is to advise POTUS as to what's happening (see picture of Bush II and Card). If he knew and didn't notify POTUS, he should be fired.

    "The news of Austin’s situation came as a shock to all White House staff."

    That, presumably included the Chief of STAFF.

    And, NSA advisor Sullivan was unaware, FFS.

    At least POTUS was on the job.

    Wait, he was on vacation. I suppose that's forgivable, since he didn't know.

    Not that I really care, mind you.

    That's the @Renauda we know and love.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Renauda
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      #16

      Notwithstanding my own personal apathy on the matter, perhaps a memo got misdirected somewhere along the chain of command..

      Elbows up!

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      • CopperC Offline
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        Copper
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        #17

        The president was told.

        There was no way he could remember.

        So he didn’t know.

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #18

          Wait, the Deputy SecDef was on VACATION when Austin was hospitalized?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            Wait, the Deputy SecDef was on VACATION when Austin was hospitalized?

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            George K
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            #19

            @George-K said in Sec Def hospitalized:

            Wait, the Deputy SecDef was on VACATION when Austin was hospitalized?

            Yeah, and she didn't know that Austin was out of commission.

            When the deputy secretary of defense began assuming some of Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin’s responsibilities on January 2, not even she knew that it was because Austin was hospitalized, two defense officials told CNN.

            Deputy Secretary of Defense Kathleen Hicks, the Pentagon’s number two leader, was among the senior leaders kept in the dark about Austin’s true whereabouts until Thursday, three days after the secretary checked into Walter Reed medical center following complications from an elective surgery. Not even the president was aware of Austin’s hospitalization until three days into his stay there, CNN previously reported.

            The revelation that not even Hicks knew that Austin was hospitalized is sure to add to questions swirling within the administration about why his status was kept secret, not only from the public but from senior national security officials and the White House.

            Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Sunday he had not been aware that Austin had been hospitalized. The two spoke the weekend before Austin was hospitalized on New Year’s Day, Blinken said at a news conference in Qatar, but he declined to engage in “hypotheticals” when asked what his own notification policy would be if he were hospitalized. Blinken called Austin an “extraordinary leader” and wished him a full recovery.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              Jolly
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              #20

              Somebody needs to resign.

              Now.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                #21

                If I were POTUS, I'd want Austin's resignation on my desk yesterday.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  Wait.

                  I didn't think it was possible to get worse.

                  Joint Chiefs - "Hold our beer."

                  Joint Chiefs Chair Gen. C.Q. Brown was not informed of Austin’s situation until Tuesday, the day after his hospitalization, a senior Defense Department official told POLITICO on Sunday. Even Deputy Defense Secretary Kathleen Hicks, who assumed some of his duties while he was in the hospital, did not know his whereabouts until Thursday, a second senior DOD official said after CNN first reported the news.

                  So the Chair of the Joint Chiefs knew on Tuesday, but didn't talk to the White House until Thursday?

                  Another resignation, please.

                  The Pentagon says the delay in notifying senior administration officials about Austin’s hospitalization was partly due to the fact his his chief of staff was also out with her own illness at the same time.

                  Don't piss on my shoe and tell me it's raining.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    #23

                    The upper echelons of government cannot possibly expect us to accept “someone was out of the office”. Dunder Mifflin.

                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #24

                      Can you imagine if the CEO of a company went MIA for 4 days and no one knew where he was?

                      Well, not "no one," obviously. Some people knew, and they're not talking.

                      The board would be holding an emergency meeting to discuss dismissal.

                      And...no word on what happened. My money's still on a colonoscopy gone sour.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
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                        #25

                        If we assume Biden isn't running the country, this all makes sense.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • George KG George K

                          Can you imagine if the CEO of a company went MIA for 4 days and no one knew where he was?

                          Well, not "no one," obviously. Some people knew, and they're not talking.

                          The board would be holding an emergency meeting to discuss dismissal.

                          And...no word on what happened. My money's still on a colonoscopy gone sour.

                          RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
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                          @George-K

                          My money's still on a colonoscopy gone sour.

                          Given the environment down there I cannot imagine one going any other way.

                          Elbows up!

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                            https://apnews.com/article/defense-secretary-lloyd-austin-hospitalized-biden-859cc79631d6c96dbdff161faf8e4f96

                            The Pentagon released new details Sunday about Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s continued hospitalization, saying he had a medical procedure Dec. 22, went home a day later and was admitted to intensive care Jan. 1 when he began experiencing severe pain.

                            So he had something done and spent the night (what?). Took 10 days for him to get REALLY sick necessiting an ICU admission.

                            A colon perf probably, probably, would have manifested itself sooner. Did he have a cardiac cath and suffered complications?

                            So what happened when he was hospitalized and #2 was on vacay?

                            • On December 31, “U.S. Navy helicopters returned fire and sank three small boats carrying Houthi militants in the Red Sea.”
                            • On January 2, “The United States has quietly reached an agreement that extends its military presence at a sprawling base in Qatar for another 10 years. . . . The Al Udeid Air Base, located in the desert southwest of Doha, is the biggest US military installation in the Middle East.”
                            • On January 3, “Two explosions killed nearly 100 people and wounded scores at a ceremony in Iran on Wednesday to commemorate commander Qassem Soleimani ”; the following day, ISIS claimed credit for the attack.
                            • On January 4, “U.S. forces in Iraq today conducted a self-defense strike which killed Mushtaq Jawad Kazim al-Jawari, a leader of the Iran-backed Harakat al-Nujaba terrorist group that is operating both in Iraq and Syria.” Two days later, Iraqi prime minister Shia al-Sudani’s office said his “government is setting the date for the start of the bilateral committee to put arrangements to end the presence of the international coalition forces in Iraq permanently.”
                              Also on January 4, Vice Admiral Brad Cooper, commander, U.S. Naval Forces Central Command, confirmed that the U.S. Navy had “shot down 61 drones and missiles total since this began a couple of months ago,” and confirmed that for the first time, the Houthis had used “an armed unmanned surface vessel launched from Houthi-controlled Yemen.” The USV “got within a ‘couple of miles’ of U.S. Navy and commercial vessels in the Red Sea before detonating on Thursday.”

                            "In the very best of hands...

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              He had a procedure, then pain.

                              Interesting.

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                                George K
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                                What happened:


                                "As part of Secretary Austin's routinely recommended health screening, he has undergone regular prostate specific antigen (PSA) surveillance. Changes in his laboratory evaluation in early December 2023 identified prostate cancer which required treatment. On December 22, 2023, after consultation with his medical team, he was admitted to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center and underwent a minimally invasive surgical procedure called a prostatectomy to treat and cure prostate cancer. He was under general anesthesia during this procedure. Secretary Austin recovered uneventfully from his surgery and returned home the next morning. His prostate cancer was detected early, and his prognosis is excellent," Walter Reed's Dr. John Maddox and Dr. Gregory Chesnut released in a statement Tuesday.

                                "On January Ist, 2024, Secretary Austin was admitted to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center with complications from the December 22 procedure, including nausea with severe abdominal, hip, and leg pain. Initial evaluation revealed a urinary tract infection. On January 2, the decision was made to transfer him to the ICU for close monitoring and a higher level of care. Further evaluation revealed abdominal fluid collections impairing the function of his small intestines," the statement contiues. "This resulted in the back up of his intestinal contents which was treated by placing a tube through his nose to drain his stomach. The abdominal fluid collections were drained by non-surgical drain placement. He has progressed steadily throughout his stay. His infection has cleared. He continues to make progress and we anticipate a full recovery although this can be a slow process. During this stay, Secretary Austin never lost consciousness and never underwent general anesthesia."


                                Well, there's prostatectomy and there's PROSTATECTOMY. The fact that it was outpatient indicates that it was a minimally aggressive procedure. But, he did spend the night, which gives lie to the "outpatient procedure" we heard about.

                                abdominal fluid collections impairing the function of his small intestines

                                Sounds like something got perforated. Most likely victim - the bladder.

                                Note they call it "fluid," which a euphemism for "urine." Possible it was a bowel perforation, but that's unlikely to happen during a prostatectomy unless it's an open prostatectomy.

                                They say "urinarty tract infection." That makes it sound a lot less serious than it probably was.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  He had ascites from that? wow.

                                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    He had ascites from that? wow.

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                                    @Mik said in Sec Def hospitalized:

                                    He had ascites from that? wow.

                                    We don't really know that, do we?

                                    "Fluid" can be almost anything: Urine (my guess from a bladder perf during prostate surgery), pus or, as you say ascites.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      We don’t. But a UTI sounds a bit understated.

                                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                        When I had my surgery, the surgeon warned me to not to bear down and force anything during the two week period I had to wear the catheter as it could lead to very undesirable complications. That meant plenty of fibre, water and nothing binding in the diet. Just let nature flow.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                                          When I had my surgery, the surgeon warned me to not to bear down and force anything during the two week period I had to wear the catheter as it could lead to very undesirable complications. That meant plenty of fibre, water and nothing binding in the diet. Just let nature flow.

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                                          @Renauda said in Sec Def hospitalized:

                                          When I had my surgery

                                          Yeah, but yours was not an "elective" "overnight-stay" type of thing.

                                          It's possible, just possible, that he had robotic surgery which could, perhaps, result in a hospital stay of only one night.

                                          If he had a robotic prostatectomy, that would make my perf'ed bladder theory more likely.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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