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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #32

    Watched it on Netflix.

    It was ... okay.

    Cooper was great, the directing was great, the acting was great, the costumes and music were great.

    But the story...

    So much time spent on his relationships and not enough (as the WSJ review says) on his career. We don't know where he came from, how his ascendency to a world-class conductor happened, and his growth as a conductor and composer.

    It was good, it wasn't great, much to my disappointment.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • CopperC Offline
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      #33

      My sources say it is bad.

      So I removed it from my watch list.

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #34

        Do be honest it was never on my watch list. Now there is no chance it will ever be on my watch list.

        Will watch Napoleon though if and when the director’s cut and/or long version is ever released on BR. Never in a cinema mind you.

        Elbows up!

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
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          #35

          It was okay - a pleasant, mostly, way to spend a couple of hours.

          Favorite scene was the ballet from "On the Town."

          Least favorite scene(s)

          1. Lenny snorting coke off a platter
          2. Sweaty Lenny dancing in a homoerotic way with a conducting student.

          2 ½ stars. Maybe three, just for Carrie Mulligan's and COoper's performance.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • kluursK kluurs

            Loved Hersey Felder's one man play - also titled Maestro from about a decade or so ago. Felder can play the piano (gorgeously) and did a wonderful retrospective of Bernstein's life.

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            jon-nyc
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            #36

            @kluurs said in "Maestro":

            Loved Hersey Felder's one man play - also titled Maestro from about a decade or so ago. Felder can play the piano (gorgeously) and did a wonderful retrospective of Bernstein's life.

            I just saw his Monsieur Chopin last week. Outstanding.

            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              Do be honest it was never on my watch list. Now there is no chance it will ever be on my watch list.

              Will watch Napoleon though if and when the director’s cut and/or long version is ever released on BR. Never in a cinema mind you.

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              @Renauda said in "Maestro":

              Will watch Napoleon though if and when the director’s cut and/or long version is ever released on BR. Never in a cinema mind you.

              Mrs Phibes saw Napoleon in a cinema yesterday. She said it was a lot of fun, but she approached it in much the same way as you would Gladiator or any other Ridley Scott movie come to that.

              I was only joking

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                #38

                Maestro, reviewed by an orchestra conductor: is Bradley Cooper really conducting?

                Link to video

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
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                  #39

                  Watching Maestro now. Acting and cinematography Oscar worthy. The story is an insult to his legacy. And boring as hell.

                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                  • MikM Mik

                    Watching Maestro now. Acting and cinematography Oscar worthy. The story is an insult to his legacy. And boring as hell.

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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by George K
                    #40

                    @Mik said in "Maestro":

                    Watching Maestro now. Acting and cinematography Oscar worthy.

                    Fabulous, isn't it?

                    The story is an insult to his legacy. And boring as hell.

                    Sad, isn't it?

                    It's not really a "biopic," is it? If you knew nothing about him, walking out of the theater, what would you have learned?

                    1. He was gay, or at least bisexual.
                    2. He got the job on a fluke.
                    3. His marriage was troubled, as was his relationship with his kids
                    4. He looks like a pretty good conductor.
                    5. He smoked - a LOT
                    6. Mahler could be cool
                    7. If you paid really close attention, you might learn that he composed West Side Story, Fancy Free...but you have pay really close attention.
                    8. He probably took good care of his wife as she was dying.

                    Anything else?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Mik
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                      #41

                      It’s really a gross invasion of their privacy, another example of how oversharing has become popular.

                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                      • 89th8 Online
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                        89th
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                        #42

                        I may watch it at some point. I don't really know much about Bernstein and I was turned off a bit when I saw a clip of Cooper "conducting" in the movie, very passionate, sweaty, and the title said he had trained 6 years to make the conducting look real, when he just seemed like a glorified metronome as I believe many conductors are. Zero chance it took him 6 years to train for that... maybe he took a class once a year, six times?

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                          You won’t know much more about him from this movie. About the only possible message is how happy he would have been if he could have been openly gay. At least that’s what the ending says. First hour is great filmmaking with a very weak story. After that it’s just another soap opera.

                          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                            #44

                            Good to know. I got the gay angle from the trailer, sad to say that was seemingly the conclusion or focus.

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                            • MikM Mik

                              You won’t know much more about him from this movie. About the only possible message is how happy he would have been if he could have been openly gay. At least that’s what the ending says. First hour is great filmmaking with a very weak story. After that it’s just another soap opera.

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                              @Mik

                              Gee, I can hardly wait for the biopic movie about Horowitz and how much greater a pianist he could have been if only he didn’t have to supress his homosexual inner self.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • 89th8 Online
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                                89th
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                                #46

                                It can be called "The Last Consolation"

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #47

                                  One more thing oscar worthy - Cooper's makeup as he aged. Fantastic.

                                  "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                                  • 89th8 89th

                                    I may watch it at some point. I don't really know much about Bernstein and I was turned off a bit when I saw a clip of Cooper "conducting" in the movie, very passionate, sweaty, and the title said he had trained 6 years to make the conducting look real, when he just seemed like a glorified metronome as I believe many conductors are. Zero chance it took him 6 years to train for that... maybe he took a class once a year, six times?

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #48

                                    @89th said in "Maestro":

                                    I was turned off a bit when I saw a clip of Cooper "conducting" in the movie, very passionate

                                    Watch the clip of Bernstein really conducting the same music. Cooper gets it pretty well. Also, if you watch that YouTUbe link, you'll see what I mean.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • 89th8 Online
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                                      89th
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                                      #49

                                      Ok maybe conductors are a bit more than just a human metronome, LOL.

                                      https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/18wt8wa/gustavo_dudamel_rehearsal_with_la_phil/

                                      and

                                      Link to video

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                                      • kluursK Offline
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                                        kluurs
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #50

                                        ▶️ Watch this reel https://www.facebook.com/reel/1320785478798613?fs=e&s=TIeQ9V&mibextid=0NULKw

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                                          I haven’t seen the movie. But maybe I’m the only one here who saw him conduct live on a number of occasions?

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