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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #76

    Secretary of State in Maine disqualifies Trump.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #77

      Campaign Rocket Fuel

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #78

        What's interesting is that this was just a declaration by Maines SoS. No adjudication whatsoever.

        I can see Trump suing her, as an individual.

        Grounds? Who cares. Lawfare is now a legit tactic.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by Jolly
          #79

          Power. POWER. POWER!

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            Power. POWER. POWER!

            89th8 Offline
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            89th
            wrote on last edited by
            #80

            @Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

            Power. POWER. POWER!

            That is Trump's motivation, you're right!

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #81

              Ilya Somin:

              https://reason.com/volokh/2023/12/28/maine-and-michigan-issue-rulings-on-trump-and-section-3-disqualification/


              Over the last two days, the states of Maine and Michigan have issued rulings on challenges to Donald Trump's eligibility to run for the presidency, under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows (a Democrat) ruled that Trump is disqualified from being a candidate in the state's GOP presidential primary. Meanwhile, the Michigan Supreme Court refused to reconsider lower court rulings holding that Trump cannot be removed from the state's primary ballot because state law doesn't require primary candidates to be legally eligible for the office they seek election to.

              The Maine decision is the more significant of the two, because it actually reaches the merits of the Section 3 issue. Secretary Bellows' ruling is similar to the recent Colorado Supreme Court decision on the same subject. Like the Colorado court, Bellows concludes that the January 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol was an insurrection (an easy call, in my view), that Trump's activities amounted to "engaging" in that insurrection (I think this is the hardest issue at stake), that the president is an "officer of the United States" covered by Section 3 (another easy issue), that Trump's activities were not protected by the First Amendment, and that Section 3 is "self-executing" and thus states can enforce it without additional congressional legislation. Like the Colorado Supreme Court, Bellows also concludes that the laws of her state require candidates whose names appear on primary ballots to be eligible for the office they seek.

              I won't review Bellows' reasoning in detail. But, as already noted, it is largely similar to that of the Colorado Supreme Court decision, which I analyzed at some length here. I think the Colorado ruling is correct, and therefore Bellows' decision is sound, as well. As Bellows notes, her ruling is subject to review by state courts and—ultimately—the US Supreme Court.

              ...

              I did a more detailed overview of the legal, moral, and political issues at stake in the Section 3 litigation in this article. In a more recent post, I explained why Section 3 disqualification doesn't require a prior criminal conviction for insurrection.


              Critics of Somin's reasoning argue that article 5 of the 14 amendment explicitly states that enforcement is a matter for Congress, not the states.

              1. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #82

                They never learn that the way to fight him is not to fight him.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • 89th8 89th

                  @Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                  Power. POWER. POWER!

                  That is Trump's motivation, you're right!

                  JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #83

                  @89th said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                  @Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                  Power. POWER. POWER!

                  That is Trump's motivation, you're right!

                  Be off with you, Biden-boy!

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • 89th8 Offline
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                    89th
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #84

                    LOL I do not like Biden. He shuffles around like a lost patient in a public gym locker room looking for the nearest hair dryer. But if he loses in the election, he'll at least take the loss like a man instead of a whiny 3rd grader making up stories and refusing to accept the results.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #85

                      Hell, he lost last time, until Trump couldn't beat the cheat.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        Hell, he lost last time, until Trump couldn't beat the cheat.

                        RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #86

                        @Jolly

                        Hell, he lost last time, until Trump couldn't beat the cheat.

                        You can keep saying that all you want. Doesn’t mean that it’s true or anyone here of any consequence even believes the coffee and donut shop gossip you preach.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • JollyJ Jolly

                          Hell, he lost last time, until Trump couldn't beat the cheat.

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #87

                          @Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                          Hell, he lost last time, until Trump couldn't beat the cheat.

                          Dude, there's 5 stages of grief. Time to move past the first one.

                          I was only joking

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #88

                            What did Truman say? I just tell them the Truth and they think it's hell...

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              What did Truman say? I just tell them the Truth and they think it's hell...

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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #89

                              @Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                              What did Truman say?

                              Among other things …

                              alt text

                              https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/111642745146668045
                              https://archive.ph/U8Qh1

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                              • JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #90

                                Works for me.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  Works for me.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #91

                                  @Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                                  Works for me.

                                  That’s just a polite way of saying “you can fuck me, Don, but don’t crush my smokes”.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #92

                                    Voice of experience, eh?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #93

                                      (too lazy to look it up)

                                      Supposedly, the Secretary of State in Maine has unilateral power to remove a candidate from a ballot.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #94

                                        And her being a former ACLU official.

                                        Freedom for me, not for thee.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          Voice of experience, eh?

                                          RenaudaR Offline
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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #95

                                          @Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                                          Voice of experience, eh?

                                          You would know, eh?

                                          Elbows up!

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