Happy Kwaanza!
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Happy Kwaanza!:
Oh yes please do explain to me how Christmas is made up. Heck let's not even get into religion, just give me a case for the fact that lights on trees, mistletoe and the 25th of December is completely arbitrary.
Right, Jesus was actually born on 25th December, and crucified on the Spring equinox.
There's a big list of holidays, and as far as I'm aware, they're all man-made. Sure, some were originally intended to recognize the winter solstice or spring equinox or whatever and were then co-opted by religion to celebrate various occurrences which may or may not have occurred. But somebody made them up. Dinosaurs didn't celebrate Martin Luther King Day, did they?
So some guy decided to celebrate Kwaanzaa based on some allegedly African celebration. How is that any different?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Happy Kwaanza!:
Oh yes please do explain to me how Christmas is made up. Heck let's not even get into religion, just give me a case for the fact that lights on trees, mistletoe and the 25th of December is completely arbitrary.
Right, Jesus was actually born on 25th December, and crucified on the Spring equinox.
There's a big list of holidays, and as far as I'm aware, they're all man-made. Sure, some were originally intended to recognize the winter solstice or spring equinox or whatever and were then co-opted by religion to celebrate various occurrences which may or may not have occurred. But somebody made them up. Dinosaurs didn't celebrate Martin Luther King Day, did they?
So some guy decided to celebrate Kwaanzaa based on some allegedly African celebration. How is that any different?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Happy Kwaanza!:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Happy Kwaanza!:
Oh yes please do explain to me how Christmas is made up. Heck let's not even get into religion, just give me a case for the fact that lights on trees, mistletoe and the 25th of December is completely arbitrary.
Right, Jesus was actually born on 25th December, and crucified on the Spring equinox.
There's a big list of holidays, and as far as I'm aware, they're all man-made. Sure, some were originally intended to recognize the winter solstice or spring equinox or whatever and were then co-opted by religion to celebrate various occurrences which may or may not have occurred. But somebody made them up. Dinosaurs didn't celebrate Martin Luther King Day, did they?
So some guy decided to celebrate Kwaanzaa based on some allegedly African celebration. How is that any different?
I said let's not even get into religion, yet it's the first thing you mentioned.
I can't even respond to any of that until I get it right first. So in your mind, you view cultural observances as arbitrary choices that caught on out of random happenstance, is that it? Like, some guys just decided to do shit in a room, and enough other people liked it that it became a tradition? That's honestly how you think it happens?
Please love yourself.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Happy Kwaanza!:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Happy Kwaanza!:
Oh yes please do explain to me how Christmas is made up. Heck let's not even get into religion, just give me a case for the fact that lights on trees, mistletoe and the 25th of December is completely arbitrary.
Right, Jesus was actually born on 25th December, and crucified on the Spring equinox.
There's a big list of holidays, and as far as I'm aware, they're all man-made. Sure, some were originally intended to recognize the winter solstice or spring equinox or whatever and were then co-opted by religion to celebrate various occurrences which may or may not have occurred. But somebody made them up. Dinosaurs didn't celebrate Martin Luther King Day, did they?
So some guy decided to celebrate Kwaanzaa based on some allegedly African celebration. How is that any different?
I said let's not even get into religion, yet it's the first thing you mentioned.
I can't even respond to any of that until I get it right first. So in your mind, you view cultural observances as arbitrary choices that caught on out of random happenstance, is that it? Like, some guys just decided to do shit in a room, and enough other people liked it that it became a tradition? That's honestly how you think it happens?
@Aqua-Letifer said in Happy Kwaanza!:
I said let's not even get into religion, yet it's the first thing you mentioned.
You're not the boss of me.
I honestly don't know how these celebrations evolved in any detail, but I don't think the Kwanzaa invention is necessarily any different from a lot of others, it's just more recent.
I really don't care, to be honest. It just made me laugh that LD said Kwanzaa was made up, when clearly the details of a lot of holidays are also made up. If somebody wants to celebrate, great - what's the problem?
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Happy Kwaanza!:
I said let's not even get into religion, yet it's the first thing you mentioned.
You're not the boss of me.
I honestly don't know how these celebrations evolved in any detail, but I don't think the Kwanzaa invention is necessarily any different from a lot of others, it's just more recent.
I really don't care, to be honest. It just made me laugh that LD said Kwanzaa was made up, when clearly the details of a lot of holidays are also made up. If somebody wants to celebrate, great - what's the problem?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Happy Kwaanza!:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Happy Kwaanza!:
I said let's not even get into religion, yet it's the first thing you mentioned.
You're not the boss of me.
I honestly don't know how these celebrations evolved in any detail, but I don't think the Kwanzaa invention is necessarily any different from a lot of others, it's just more recent.
I really don't care, to be honest. It just made me laugh that LD said Kwanzaa was made up, when clearly the details of a lot of holidays are also made up.
So to recap, you admittedly know very little about the Christmas holiday but feel comfortable saying it's exactly the same as one founded by a felon convicted of torturing, assault, and false imprisonment of women, because it's all made up anyway.
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Sure, whatever.
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I have always understood that Xmas evolved from or out of Roman winter solstice festivals Saturnalia and Sol Invictus.
As for Kwanzaa, don’t know, don’t care to know and, frankly, don’t wish to hear about it.
@Renauda said in Happy Kwaanza!:
I have always understood that Xmas evolved from or out of Roman winter the solstice festivals Saturnalia and Sol Invictus.
That's true, but it wasn't just the Romans who contributed. Not even by half. You could fill entire encyclopedias on the story of Christmas and how we got where we are today.
Anthropologists love convergent evolution and there's a ton of that with Christmas.
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@Renauda said in Happy Kwaanza!:
I have always understood that Xmas evolved from or out of Roman winter the solstice festivals Saturnalia and Sol Invictus.
That's true, but it wasn't just the Romans who contributed. Not even by half. You could fill entire encyclopedias on the story of Christmas and how we got where we are today.
Anthropologists love convergent evolution and there's a ton of that with Christmas.
You could fill entire encyclopedias on the story of Christmas and how we got where we are today.
That, I have no doubt.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwanzaa
American black separatist[4] Maulana Karenga created Kwanzaa in 1966 during the aftermath of the Watts riots[5] as a non-Christian,[6] specifically African-American, holiday.
That's where I stopped celebrating.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in Happy Kwaanza!:
I said let's not even get into religion, yet it's the first thing you mentioned.
You're not the boss of me.
I honestly don't know how these celebrations evolved in any detail, but I don't think the Kwanzaa invention is necessarily any different from a lot of others, it's just more recent.
I really don't care, to be honest. It just made me laugh that LD said Kwanzaa was made up, when clearly the details of a lot of holidays are also made up. If somebody wants to celebrate, great - what's the problem?
@Doctor-Phibes said in Happy Kwaanza!:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Happy Kwaanza!:
I said let's not even get into religion, yet it's the first thing you mentioned.
You're not the boss of me.
I honestly don't know how these celebrations evolved in any detail, but I don't think the Kwanzaa invention is necessarily any different from a lot of others, it's just more recent.
I really don't care, to be honest. It just made me laugh that LD said Kwanzaa was made up, when clearly the details of a lot of holidays are also made up. If somebody wants to celebrate, great - what's the problem?
Apparently, not much of anybody does want to celebrate... 6 times more people celebrate Festivus than Kwanzaa... https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=festivus,kwanzaa 2023&geo=US
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@Doctor-Phibes said in Happy Kwaanza!:
@Aqua-Letifer said in Happy Kwaanza!:
I said let's not even get into religion, yet it's the first thing you mentioned.
You're not the boss of me.
I honestly don't know how these celebrations evolved in any detail, but I don't think the Kwanzaa invention is necessarily any different from a lot of others, it's just more recent.
I really don't care, to be honest. It just made me laugh that LD said Kwanzaa was made up, when clearly the details of a lot of holidays are also made up. If somebody wants to celebrate, great - what's the problem?
Apparently, not much of anybody does want to celebrate... 6 times more people celebrate Festivus than Kwanzaa... https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=festivus,kwanzaa 2023&geo=US
@LuFins-Dad said in Happy Kwaanza!:
6 times more people celebrate Festivus than Kwanzaa...
By that logic considerably more people celebrate YouTube than either of them
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@LuFins-Dad said in Happy Kwaanza!:
6 times more people celebrate Festivus than Kwanzaa...
By that logic considerably more people celebrate YouTube than either of them
@Doctor-Phibes said in Happy Kwaanza!:
@LuFins-Dad said in Happy Kwaanza!:
6 times more people celebrate Festivus than Kwanzaa...
By that logic considerably more people celebrate YouTube than either of them
Celebrate?
I don't think that word means what you think it means...
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Yeah, I played fast and loose with the google trends, but I bet it translates. I bet more people stopped at that Festivus display at the airport than any Kwanzaa display…
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Yeah, I played fast and loose with the google trends, but I bet it translates. I bet more people stopped at that Festivus display at the airport than any Kwanzaa display…
@LuFins-Dad said in Happy Kwaanza!:
Yeah, I played fast and loose with the google trends, but I bet it translates. I bet more people stopped at that Festivus display at the airport than any Kwanzaa display…
No it doesn't matter because there's no difference between a holiday created from a sitcom and a holiday created by a felon and torturer of women. Because all things that once didn't exist but now exist hold equal value.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Happy Kwaanza!:
Yeah, I played fast and loose with the google trends, but I bet it translates. I bet more people stopped at that Festivus display at the airport than any Kwanzaa display…
No it doesn't matter because there's no difference between a holiday created from a sitcom and a holiday created by a felon and torturer of women. Because all things that once didn't exist but now exist hold equal value.
@Aqua-Letifer said in Happy Kwaanza!:
@LuFins-Dad said in Happy Kwaanza!:
Yeah, I played fast and loose with the google trends, but I bet it translates. I bet more people stopped at that Festivus display at the airport than any Kwanzaa display…
No it doesn't matter because there's no difference between a holiday created from a sitcom and a holiday created by a felon and torturer of women. Because all things that once didn't exist but now exist hold equal value.
Hey, lighten up. You're like the grinch of Kwanzaa.
