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Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?

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  • LuFins DadL Offline
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    LuFins Dad
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    #3

    Irrelevant.

    The Brad

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
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      #4

      I think it quite relevant.

      The FBI was still investigating the death of the Capitol Police officer. Things were very much in a state of flux. Just think how agitated you'd be if Trump had pardoned somebody before their guilt or innocence was established.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        I think it quite relevant.

        The FBI was still investigating the death of the Capitol Police officer. Things were very much in a state of flux. Just think how agitated you'd be if Trump had pardoned somebody before their guilt or innocence was established.

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        @Jolly said in Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?:

        I think it quite relevant.

        The FBI was still investigating the death of the Capitol Police officer. Things were very much in a state of flux. Just think how agitated you'd be if Trump had pardoned somebody before their guilt or innocence was established.

        Please note the nonviolent offender part of the statement.

        The Brad

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          He could easily have done so before leaving office…

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          Copper
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          @LuFins-Dad said in Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?:

          He could easily have done so

          Neither he nor his guys would believe the witch hunt that has happened since then.

          It was just a few doofusses taking selfies. No big deal.

          It should have been forgotten within a few days.

          But if the lies get told over and over, they grow and take on new life.

          We have seen some victims of that media blitz right here.

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          • MikM Offline
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            I don’t think anyone had really been charged yet. I’d also think the recipient would have to be named.

            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              I believe there's only been one preemptive presidential pardon - Nixon.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • CopperC Offline
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                #9

                Was this preemptive?

                Both during and after the American Civil War, pardons for ex-Confederates were given by US Presidents Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pardons_for_ex-Confederates

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                  #10

                  Was this preemptive? …..

                  No, it was magnanimity on the part of the victors. Very different.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                    Was this preemptive? …..

                    No, it was magnanimity on the part of the victors. Very different.

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                    @Renauda said in Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?:

                    Was this preemptive? …..

                    No, it was magnanimity on the part of the victors. Very different.

                    According to the Whitehouse Historical Association it was.

                    Abraham Lincoln issued preemptive pardons during the Civil War and so did Jimmy Carter, who pardoned Vietnam draft evaders who had not been charged for their actions.

                    https://www.whitehousehistory.org/the-history-of-the-pardon-power#:~:text=They include%3A pardon%2C amnesty%2C,imposed by a federal court.

                    And then there was the case of the distillers in the backwoods of Kentucky and Pennsylvania. The first preemptive pardon.

                    Washington gathered a militia, had a uniform made and headed to Pittsburgh to confront the distillers himself — making him the only president to take up arms against his own people, Coe wrote.

                    He thought better of it and turned around before the confrontation, but troops still arrested more than 150 people on charges of treason. Two were convicted, but Washington — in a show of national unity and perhaps some embarrassment — pardoned the entire group.

                    https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/12/11/preemptive-pardons-trump-george-washington-ford/

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                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
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                      #12

                      Don’t care what the White House Hustorical Historical Assoc calls it and even less what the Washington Post writes about it.

                      I don’t believe you do either..

                      Elbows up!

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        Don’t care what the White House Hustorical Historical Assoc calls it and even less what the Washington Post writes about it.

                        I don’t believe you do either..

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                        @Renauda said in Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?:

                        Hustoical

                        Canadian spelling? 😛

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
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                          #14

                          No, a typo/spelling error. You have a problem with it? Didn’t think so either.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • RenaudaR Renauda

                            Don’t care what the White House Hustorical Historical Assoc calls it and even less what the Washington Post writes about it.

                            I don’t believe you do either..

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                            @Renauda said in Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?:

                            Don’t care what the White House Hustorical Historical Assoc calls it and even less what the Washington Post writes about it.

                            I don’t believe you do either..

                            I’m sorry, but you obviously know nothing about this. This is important historical research we do here, please be more careful with the facts.

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                              It was Carter’s blanket pardon of the draft evaders that I was thinking of as the precedent. These guys weren’t identified, but identification was possible and ongoing. Similar to January 6th. They hadn’t been adjudicated yet… Trump could have easily issued some general pardons on very specific guidelines.

                              The Brad

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                                @Renauda said in Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?:

                                Don’t care what the White House Hustorical Historical Assoc calls it and even less what the Washington Post writes about it.

                                I don’t believe you do either..

                                I’m sorry, but you obviously know nothing about this. This is important historical research we do here, please be more careful with the facts.

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                                @Copper said in Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?:

                                @Renauda said in Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?:

                                Don’t care what the White House Hustorical Historical Assoc calls it and even less what the Washington Post writes about it.

                                I don’t believe you do either..

                                I’m sorry, but you obviously know nothing about this. This is important historical research we do here, please be more careful with the facts.

                                Like I already told you, I don’t believe you do either. That shouldn’t be too difficult for you to comprehend.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                  It was Carter’s blanket pardon of the draft evaders that I was thinking of as the precedent. These guys weren’t identified, but identification was possible and ongoing. Similar to January 6th. They hadn’t been adjudicated yet… Trump could have easily issued some general pardons on very specific guidelines.

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                                  @LuFins-Dad said in Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?:

                                  It was Carter’s blanket pardon of the draft evaders that I was thinking of as the precedent. These guys weren’t identified, but identification was possible and ongoing. Similar to January 6th. They hadn’t been adjudicated yet… Trump could have easily issued some general pardons on very specific guidelines.

                                  A cynic might suggest that it is in Trump's interest for them to become martyrs.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    jon-nyc
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                                    You spelled ’realist’ wrong.

                                    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      @Copper said in Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?:

                                      @Renauda said in Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?:

                                      Don’t care what the White House Hustorical Historical Assoc calls it and even less what the Washington Post writes about it.

                                      I don’t believe you do either..

                                      I’m sorry, but you obviously know nothing about this. This is important historical research we do here, please be more careful with the facts.

                                      Like I already told you, I don’t believe you do either. That shouldn’t be too difficult for you to comprehend.

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                                      @Renauda said in Why didn’t Trump pardon the nonviolent January 6th protesters?:

                                      Like I already told you, I don’t believe you do either. That shouldn’t be too difficult for you to comprehend.

                                      The difference is that I am right and you are wrong.

                                      As always.

                                      Just accept it and move on, you are embarrassing yourself.

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                                        @Copper

                                        I just forget who posted this years ago in response to you. I thought it was an accurate statement then and still do to this day:

                                        Cu > Pb

                                        Happy Christmas.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          That reminds me of how my grade school math teacher attempted to get the kids to remember what > and < mean. They said it was like an open mouth where the smaller number was eating the larger one. So dumb. At some point I realized that the reason the symbol was fashioned that way, is because on one side is a large space between the lines, and on the other side the lines converge to down to zero space. Large to small. The number on the large side of the symbol is the larger number. It's too bad I wasn't advanced enough as a public intellectual at the time to educate my teacher on the subject. And now, it's too late. That teacher is no longer with us. Probably went to their grave still propagating that bit of nonsense, infecting the minds of the youths, teaching them anti-thought and leading them to become progressives. Sad.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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