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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #49

    Applied selectively, of course.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • 89th8 Offline
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      89th
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      #50

      I'm literally doing the opposite of applying it selectively. If Obama did all that in 2012 in a loss to Romney, I'm sure you'd be calling for Congress not to certify Romney's win.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        #51

        I believe in what you do not -fairness.

        Currently, TPTB are trying to fix this election by every means possible. It's very obvious. Open your eyes.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #52

          And quit sucking the FBI's dick.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            wrote on last edited by
            #53

            Since the highest form of insurrection is the negation of the sovereignty of the United States (open borders, anyone?), should Biden be taken off of the ballot in Texas? And any other border state?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              And quit sucking the FBI's dick.

              89th8 Offline
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              89th
              wrote on last edited by
              #54

              @Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

              And quit sucking the FBI's dick.

              om nom nom

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              • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                wrote on last edited by
                #55

                Allowing one crime to go unpunished because it previously may not have been prosecuted is a very weak argument.

                Im sorry, but saying that President Trump or those who stormed the Capitol should go unpunished because others did nt get in trouble is.... (not sure of the English word, but not an excuse or defense).

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #56

                  Boils down to a simple concept.

                  Is there equal justice under the law?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                    Allowing one crime to go unpunished because it previously may not have been prosecuted is a very weak argument.

                    Im sorry, but saying that President Trump or those who stormed the Capitol should go unpunished because others did nt get in trouble is.... (not sure of the English word, but not an excuse or defense).

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #57

                    @taiwan_girl said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                    Allowing one crime to go unpunished because it previously may not have been prosecuted is a very weak argument.

                    Im sorry, but saying that President Trump or those who stormed the Capitol should go unpunished because others did nt get in trouble is.... (not sure of the English word, but not an excuse or defense).

                    So much wrong in what you said.

                    First of all. Trump is being accused by the press and legislators. They are not the holders of that authority. The Department of Justice is.

                    Secondly, the DoJ has accused him of many crimes, and indicted him on at least four. None of those are insurrection.

                    Thirdly, in this country, we have a presumption of innocence. It's the FOUNDATION of our justice system. He is innocent, until he is proven not to be.

                    Fourthly, the basis for COSC to say that he is guilty of insurrection flies in the face of my third comment, and also relies on "other people's statements." AFAIK (I may be wrong) there are people who claimed that he was "insurrection-ey." Perhaps the district court heard that evidence, so I may be wrong.

                    Fifth, people who did "get in trouble" were accused by the DoJ, tried and convicted.

                    Finally, if you feel that he's guilty of a crime, indict, try, convict and punish. Until those things happen, there's no there there.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #58

                      The Washington Post:

                      Yet these puzzles are relatively mundane compared with the case’s most consequential conundrum: whether Mr. Trump really did engage in insurrection. The Colorado court, armed with dictionary definitions and the defense’s counsel’s own words (according to which Jan. 6 was “more than a riot but less than a rebellion”), lays out the evidence. The armed mob that forcibly entered the Capitol with the purpose of preventing the peaceful transfer of power, they say, was surely carrying out an insurrection. By fomenting myths of election fraud; by urging supporters at least 12 times to travel to D.C.; by exhorting them to “take back our country” when they arrived; by ignoring pleas to tell them to leave; Mr. Trump “engaged,” they say, in that insurrection, too.

                      As Justice Samour points out in his dissent, however, what’s missing from the majority’s analysis is due process of law. Not only has Mr. Trump not been convicted of insurrection either by a jury of his peers or from the bench by a judge; he hasn’t even been charged with it. Tellingly, Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith has brought an aggressive case against the former president for conspiracy to defraud the United States, obstruction of an official proceeding and more — but not for violating the federal law against insurrection. The penalties for that, by the way, include disqualification from “any office under the United States.”

                      Of course, in the United States, not just anyone can be president. Only aspirants over age 35 who are natural-born citizens may occupy the Oval Office. The difference is that these criteria are objective. Whether someone has engaged in insurrection is less so. Disqualifying a candidate based on an accusation, albeit one blessed by a state court judge as in the Colorado case — but not an actual conviction — is dangerous. What’s to stop a Republican politician from seeking to bar his Democratic opponent because the opponent attended Black Lives Matter protests, claiming that those protests, some of them nominally in service of abolishing the police, qualify as insurrection? To be clear, there is no moral equivalence between Black Lives Matter protesters and the Jan. 6 Capitol mob. But that is the point: the potential for abuse is ample.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
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                        #59

                        Coup by paperwork. More direct and intentional than anything Trump ever did.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • 89th8 Offline
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                          89th
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                          Stupid question, but why is a criminal conviction required? It just says the person shall not have engaged in insurrection, right? I haven't paid attention to the details here since I presume SCOTUS will overturn this in about two months.

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #61

                            Trump has never been charged with insurrection.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              Trump has never been charged with insurrection.

                              CopperC Offline
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                              Copper
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #62

                              @Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                              Trump has never been charged with insurrection.

                              But apparently he has been convicted by the Colorado Supreme Court.

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                Trump has never been charged with insurrection.

                                89th8 Offline
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                                89th
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #63

                                @Jolly said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                                Trump has never been charged with insurrection.

                                That's my question. Does there need to be a charge? For example, if AHNOLD wanted to run for President, would he need to be convicted of not being a natural born citizen before a court can rule him ineligible based on Constitutional requirements?

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                                  89th
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #64

                                  BTW I would argue it would need to be conviction so as to remove ambiguity of citing insurrection in the future.

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
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                                    #65

                                    We supposedly have the presumption of innocence. To deny someone a right because "you've been told" (the words of the CO Supreme Court) that someone did something bad doesn't pass muster.

                                    I may be wrong, but there was no evidence presented, no witnesses questioned, etc. It was done by fiat because Orange Man Bad.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #66

                                      beedemandbakecake.jpg

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Copper
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #67

                                        I don't know who he is, but I want the Babylon Bee guy that writes this stuff to be the next president.

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                                        • CopperC Copper

                                          I don't know who he is, but I want the Babylon Bee guy that writes this stuff to be the next president.

                                          LuFins DadL Offline
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                                          LuFins Dad
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                                          @Copper said in Trump Disqualified in Colorado:

                                          I don't know who he is, but I want the Babylon Bee guy that writes this stuff to be the next president.

                                          He doesn’t write all of them, but he runs the team that does…

                                          https://twitter.com/SethDillon

                                          The Brad

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