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Whole Milk is Bad?

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  • JollyJ Jolly

    There is no hunger in America. Poor nutrition, perhaps, but not true hunger.

    Two of the grandkids attend parochial school. I look at their lunch menu. It features a lot of things I used to have for lunch when I was a kid. Things that are no longer served in public school...Mostly because the parochial school still cooks their own meals.

    Red beans, sausage and rice. Chicken gumbo. Grilled cheese and tomato soup. Beef stew over rice. Baked chicken. Pork roast and mashed potatoes. Yes, even chicken nuggets, burgers, fries and pizza. But they do try pretty hard to include vegetables and fruit at most meals.

    Guess what? A lot of the kids won't eat a lot of the food. It's yucky. No, sugar, it ain't yucky, it's school cafeteria food. Out of a pretty decent cafeteria, as those things go. The kids just aren't hungry enough.

    Now, I also keep up with the menu at the public school by the house. A lot more premade, heat-it-up, mass produced food. And teachers tell me the kids don't eat that very well, either.

    Our problem isn't a box of whole milk. It's kids that are eating too much of the wrong thing at home and not getting near enough exercise, both at home and at school. They just ain't hungry enough...

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    @Jolly said in Whole Milk is Bad?:

    here is no hunger in America. Poor nutrition, perhaps, but not true hunger.

    @Jolly said in Whole Milk is Bad?:

    Our problem isn't a box of whole milk. It's kids that are eating too much of the wrong thing at home and not getting near enough exercise, both at home and at school.

    Jolly is true. I saw a chart somewhere that the highest rates of fat people in the US are in many of the "poorest" areas of the US.

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    • MikM Mik

      We have a $33T debt, wars all around that threaten to drag us, mass invasion at the southern border in and our elected representatives are talking about what kind of milk kids are drinking. SMH.

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      @Mik said in Whole Milk is Bad?:

      We have a $33T debt, wars all around that threaten to drag us, mass invasion at the southern border in and our elected representatives are talking about what kind of milk kids are drinking. SMH.

      I think we should do a version of the Texas legislature. I hereby propose... for the House and Senate...

      1. The House and Senate meet once per year, except in times of declared war, an impeachment or an economic depression. They also may meet in Special Session after a Presidential Veto
      2. ALL bills must be submitted four weeks before Congress is gaveled into session.
      3. Congress shall meet for a period of 16 weeks. Period.
      4. All bills not voted on and passed in that 16-week period shall be considered dead. D-E-A-D. If desired, they may be refiled next session. And I mean ALL. Didn't fund the military? Toughsky shitsky. Cut off all Social Security payments? Do better next time.

      Just as an imminent hanging can wonderfully concentrate one's mind, being under a hard deadline might cut out some pork and will definitely cut out some games.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        No one said whole milk is bad. Reduced fat milk is better for almost everyone.

        Personally I’d rather they attack sodium and refined carbs instead of dietary fat.

        Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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          In high school I could get two cartons of chocolate milk for lunch and still have enough for a pack of smokes.

          "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            I drink 1%. Skim milk is no good since vitamin D is fat soluble.

            "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              No one said whole milk is bad. Reduced fat milk is better for almost everyone.

              Personally I’d rather they attack sodium and refined carbs instead of dietary fat.

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              George K
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              @jon-nyc said in Whole Milk is Bad?:

              Reduced fat milk is better for almost everyone.

              Really?

              https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/08/well/eat/low-fat-dairy-products.html

              https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/whole-vs-skim-milk#TOC_TITLE_HDR_3

              Remember when they told us that eggs cause high cholesterol?

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                If refined carbs are your target of choice, in that same bucket of dietary ideas is the notion that whole milk is better than reduced fat.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • MikM Mik

                  I drink 1%. Skim milk is no good since vitamin D is fat soluble.

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                  @Mik I've been drinking whole milk all my life, about 3/4 litre a day. My arteries are just fine, my teeth are in good shape, and my vitamine D-level is still all right.
                  I don't trust 'good health guru's'. They tend to change their minds every ten years.

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                    I grew up on it, Wim. As much as we wanted. It’s like a treat to me now when I have some. Love it.

                    "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                      Renauda
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                      Nothing the matter with whole milk or, as we used to call it here, homo milk. It’s now called 3%.

                      Elbows up!

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                        The state of research on saturated fat is pretty confusing.

                        I just try to follow the principle of eating low-processed or whole foods. I don’t buy the low fat version of any dairy (milk, cheese, yogurt)

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          Nothing the matter with whole milk or, as we used to call it here, homo milk. It’s now called 3%.

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                          @Renauda "Homomilk" ?

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            If refined carbs are your target of choice, in that same bucket of dietary ideas is the notion that whole milk is better than reduced fat.

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                            @Horace said in Whole Milk is Bad?:

                            If refined carbs are your target of choice, in that same bucket of dietary ideas is the notion that whole milk is better than reduced fat.

                            I hope your dietary ideas are serving you well.

                            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              @Horace said in Whole Milk is Bad?:

                              If refined carbs are your target of choice, in that same bucket of dietary ideas is the notion that whole milk is better than reduced fat.

                              I hope your dietary ideas are serving you well.

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                              @jon-nyc said in Whole Milk is Bad?:

                              @Horace said in Whole Milk is Bad?:

                              If refined carbs are your target of choice, in that same bucket of dietary ideas is the notion that whole milk is better than reduced fat.

                              I hope your dietary ideas are serving you well.

                              A fat joke from the adult in the room? Shocking. I'll remember next time you roll over and beg not to be insulted as you lose yet another engagement here.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                Read into it what you want. If you believe refined carbs are not a problem in a country with obesity rates at 40% and metabolic syndrome everywhere you look then maybe you should reevaluate your views rather than criticize mine.

                                Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Read into it what you want. If you believe refined carbs are not a problem in a country with obesity rates at 40% and metabolic syndrome everywhere you look then maybe you should reevaluate your views rather than criticize mine.

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                                  @jon-nyc said in Whole Milk is Bad?:

                                  Read into it what you want. If you believe refined carbs are not a problem in a country with obesity rates at 40% and metabolic syndrome everywhere you look then maybe you should reevaluate rather than criticize.

                                  Of course. "you" as in the American "you". Because I was speaking for America and its general ideas about nutrition, obviously. So when you say "you", clearly you meant "America and its general ideas about nutrition". My mistake, I'm really sorry for straw manning you, jon. You are so smart and honest. It must be difficult to engage here with people who aren't always like that.

                                  But I did not say that refined carbs are not a problem for obesity. I have known they are a problem for many decades now, long before it became common, if still idiotically disputed, knowledge.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    @Renauda "Homomilk" ?

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                                    @Wim said in Whole Milk is Bad?:

                                    @Renauda "Homomilk" ?

                                    Yes, it was short for “3% homogenised milk”

                                    Usually just referred to as a bottle or quart/litre of homo.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      Horace - I misread your first post and thought you had lumped together aversion to refined carbs with a preference for low fat milk and criticized them as a pair, hence my reaction. My apologies.

                                      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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                                        Hang on a second, are you saying that chocolate is freaking bad for you? How about beer?

                                        God sucks.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          Chocolate isn’t bad for you. It’s all the added sugar

                                          Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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