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Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked

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  • CopperC Offline
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    I win.

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      @Renauda said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

      @Jolly

      From a political viewpoint rather than a personal theological one, this type of case does pose problems for pro life people. But, what is the greater good?

      Respecting and facilitating the woman’s decision to terminate this pregnancy sooner rather than later for the sound medical and personal reasons presented before the courts.

      The greater good is served by recognizing her choice. It is not served by meddling in her personal health matters.

      From whence is your morality and authority?

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      @Jolly said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

      @Renauda said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

      @Jolly

      From a political viewpoint rather than a personal theological one, this type of case does pose problems for pro life people. But, what is the greater good?

      Respecting and facilitating the woman’s decision to terminate this pregnancy sooner rather than later for the sound medical and personal reasons presented before the courts.

      The greater good is served by recognizing her choice. It is not served by meddling in her personal health matters.

      From whence is your morality and authority?

      From a tradition of secular liberalism and the libertarian thought of Thomas Paine.

      I have no expectation whatsoever that either of us can agree on this issue. I have said my piece and am finished with the discussion.

      Elbows up!

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        Thank God. 😛

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Back to the matter at hand. This is one of those cases that I am not equipped to judge, and neither is any court in the land. This should be in her hands to decide without interference or repercussions on the physician, if the facts of the case are as stated.

          The Brad

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            https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2023/12/11/kate-cox-flees-state-to-get-abortion-after-supreme-court-decision/

            The woman has left Texas to get an abortion procedure elsewhere.

            Also this tidbit from the article:

            Nationally, more than 92,000 patients crossed state lines for abortions in the first six months of 2023, compared to 40,600 in the first half of 2020, ...

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              And the Texas Supreme Court ruled against the woman:

              https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-woman-who-sought-emergency-abortion-court-will-leave-state-care-2023-12-11/

              The ruling: https://www.txcourts.gov/media/1457645/230994pc.pdf

              Essentially the Texas Supreme Court unanimously ruled that the woman's doctor has not asserted that the woman's condition meets the legal exceptions to allow an abortion.

              Sounds like the doctor saying that having a fatal fetus and the threat of losing her future futility is not enough to meet the Texas law's exceptions for threat to the woman's life or loss of a major bodily function.

              Pro-Choice activist's reaction: "[this case] is proof that exceptions don’t work, and it’s dangerous to be pregnant in any state with an abortion ban."

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @Axtremus

                So, what say you?

                It’s solely the pregnant woman’s choice.

                89th8 Offline
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                @Renauda said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

                @Axtremus

                So, what say you?

                It’s solely the pregnant woman’s choice.

                The baby is the man's too. Presuming he is around.

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  Back to the matter at hand. This is one of those cases that I am not equipped to judge, and neither is any court in the land. This should be in her hands to decide without interference or repercussions on the physician, if the facts of the case are as stated.

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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

                  Back to the matter at hand. This is one of those cases that I am not equipped to judge, and neither is any court in the land. This should be in her hands to decide without interference or repercussions on the physician, if the facts of the case are as stated.

                  Agreed. If the facts are clear... termination of pregnancies should be allowed when they are medically necessary (fatal/risk).

                  Not to equate, but it's like saying the person has the right to surgically remove their arm if it risks the whole body whereas normally such a procedure (in my mind) should not be allowed voluntarily (e.g., I got a tattoo and now I don't want it so cut off my arm, please).

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                    BTW I believe since Dobbs, overall abortion numbers nationwide (total) are up, so the decision has backfired in a sense for those (like me) who are pro-life and wanted Roe overruled. That being said, abortions are substantially down in the states that enacted new anti-abortion legislation.

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      This case will be trotted out all year. And should be.

                      "The intelligent man who is proud of his intelligence is like the condemned man who is proud of his large cell." Simone Weil

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                      • 89th8 89th

                        @Renauda said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

                        @Axtremus

                        So, what say you?

                        It’s solely the pregnant woman’s choice.

                        The baby is the man's too. Presuming he is around.

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                        @89th said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

                        @Renauda said in Abortion Case in Texas - court allowed, court blocked:

                        @Axtremus

                        So, what say you?

                        It’s solely the pregnant woman’s choice.

                        The baby is the man's too. Presuming he is around.

                        In this case, he is. I believe he was also included in the lawsuit to allow the abortion.

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