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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    taiwan_girl
    wrote on last edited by
    #14

    I know that kids brains are different from adult brains, but there have been a lot of studies that showed that in person learning is much better than remote learning that happened during the pandemic. There is something about human contact which is important.

    (Obviously, it is not the same for everyone. some people work better remote, but for the majority, I think that the in person experience is better. Maybe not the traditional 5 days per week, but I dont think that 100% remote is teh answer.

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    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

      @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

      Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.

      Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.

      I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.

      Like I said, it's a two-way street - the market will decide in the fullness of time, and companies that are insufficiently flexible will suffer.

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      Aqua Letifer
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      #15

      @Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:

      @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

      Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.

      Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.

      I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.

      Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.

      As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.

      Please love yourself.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #16

        Medicine.

        Doctors, nurses, ancillary. Preceptors, mentors, others. It's constantly a teaching chain.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          @Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:

          @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

          Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.

          Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.

          I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.

          Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.

          As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.

          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by
          #17

          @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

          @Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:

          @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

          Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.

          Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.

          I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.

          Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.

          As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.

          Good luck getting help from an older engineer reviewing the electrical schematic over MS Teams.

          I know this is surprising, but I do actually know what I'm talking about.

          Doctor PhibesD Aqua LetiferA 2 Replies Last reply
          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

            @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

            @Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:

            @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

            Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.

            Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.

            I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.

            Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.

            As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.

            Good luck getting help from an older engineer reviewing the electrical schematic over MS Teams.

            I know this is surprising, but I do actually know what I'm talking about.

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            Doctor Phibes
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            • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

              @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:

              @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

              Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.

              Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.

              I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.

              Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.

              As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.

              Good luck getting help from an older engineer reviewing the electrical schematic over MS Teams.

              I know this is surprising, but I do actually know what I'm talking about.

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              Aqua LetiferA Offline
              Aqua Letifer
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              #19

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:

              @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:

              @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

              Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.

              Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.

              I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.

              Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.

              As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.

              Good luck getting help from an older engineer reviewing the electrical schematic over MS Teams.

              I know this is surprising, but I do actually know what I'm talking about.

              Not saying you didn't. I'm not talking about engineering. I get cross about the mentorship thing because that's the excuse my co-workers were given for being laid off over the Christmas break this year. It's not fair to them to keep them employed when they can't get the proper mentorship they need, y'see. They actually fucking told them that. Also collaboration, culture derpa der. So you see losing their job between Christmas and New Year's is doing them a favor.

              I don't know anything about engineering. My point wasn't about engineers. My point was about how dumb it is to decide on some universal opinion on remote work. And people are right now losing their jobs because of that stupidity.

              Please love yourself.

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              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                @Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:

                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

                @Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:

                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

                Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.

                Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.

                I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.

                Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.

                As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.

                Good luck getting help from an older engineer reviewing the electrical schematic over MS Teams.

                I know this is surprising, but I do actually know what I'm talking about.

                Not saying you didn't. I'm not talking about engineering. I get cross about the mentorship thing because that's the excuse my co-workers were given for being laid off over the Christmas break this year. It's not fair to them to keep them employed when they can't get the proper mentorship they need, y'see. They actually fucking told them that. Also collaboration, culture derpa der. So you see losing their job between Christmas and New Year's is doing them a favor.

                I don't know anything about engineering. My point wasn't about engineers. My point was about how dumb it is to decide on some universal opinion on remote work. And people are right now losing their jobs because of that stupidity.

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                Doctor PhibesD Offline
                Doctor Phibes
                wrote on last edited by
                #20

                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

                I don't know anything about engineering. My point wasn't about engineers. My point was about how dumb it is to decide on some universal opinion on remote work. And people are right now losing their jobs because of that stupidity.

                Yes, I agree 100%. Also, companies are going to lose good people who decide to leave. We're seeing that. I actually and perhaps naively thought the workplace was going to improve on the basis of how successful partially working from home had been during the lockdown. There was all this stuff being said about work-life balance, but once again it's shown to be just talk. I think far too much of it is actually about control, when it should be about treating people who are willing to act like adults accordingly, and maybe deal with those who aren't individually, rather than with blanket return-to-work policies.

                I could go on, but I'm always a little aware that I don't know who's reading this.

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                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:

                    I don't know anything about engineering. My point wasn't about engineers. My point was about how dumb it is to decide on some universal opinion on remote work. And people are right now losing their jobs because of that stupidity.

                    Yes, I agree 100%. Also, companies are going to lose good people who decide to leave. We're seeing that. I actually and perhaps naively thought the workplace was going to improve on the basis of how successful partially working from home had been during the lockdown. There was all this stuff being said about work-life balance, but once again it's shown to be just talk. I think far too much of it is actually about control, when it should be about treating people who are willing to act like adults accordingly, and maybe deal with those who aren't individually, rather than with blanket return-to-work policies.

                    I could go on, but I'm always a little aware that I don't know who's reading this.

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                    #22

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:

                    There was all this stuff being said about work-life balance

                    I never expected or wanted the company to balance my life. That was none of their business.

                    I knew the job was a death march when I signed up. That's what I wanted.

                    I know a lot of people wouldn't want to work in an environment like that. No problem.

                    I think the best way to not allow the company to have control of your life is to keep work and not-work separate. It is just none of their business, I'll run the outside life myself.

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                      #23

                      It's a five o'clock world when the whistle blows ...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #24

                        There’s less work life balance than when I started doing the job. It used to be when you were at home or working on site somewhere that nobody bothered you because they couldn’t. Now there’s no escape from the incessant bullshit.

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #25

                          https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/03/dell-tells-remote-workers-that-they-wont-be-eligible-for-promotion/

                          Starting in May, Dell employees who are fully remote will not be eligible for promotion, Business Insider (BI) reported Saturday. The upcoming policy update represents a dramatic reversal from Dell's prior stance on work from home (WFH), which included CEO Michael Dell saying: "If you are counting on forced hours spent in a traditional office to create collaboration and provide a feeling of belonging within your organization, you’re doing it wrong."

                          Dell employees will mostly all be considered "remote" or "hybrid" starting in May, BI reported. Hybrid workers have to come into the office at least 39 days per quarter, Dell confirmed to Ars Technica, which equates to approximately three times a week. Those who would prefer to never commute to an office will not "be considered for promotion, or be able to change roles," BI reported.

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                            That's de facto how it already works at a lot of places. I don't plan on any advancements myself, which is fine. The full time remote lifestyle is a goal fulfillment way more than any promotion ever could have been.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              #27

                              You think you want promotions until you get them. Then you fully realized be careful what you wish for. I am good at management and project management, but I don't enjoy it like I do having my hands in the tech.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                You think you want promotions until you get them. Then you fully realized be careful what you wish for. I am good at management and project management, but I don't enjoy it like I do having my hands in the tech.

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                                #28

                                @Mik said in The Future:

                                You think you want promotions until you get them. Then you fully realized be careful what you wish for. I am good at management and project management, but I don't enjoy it like I do having my hands in the tech.

                                If I had my time again I'd definitely have stuck with the job I was really good at and actually quite enjoyed. I got promoted after a year here, and didn't know enough to realise what was going to be involved.

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                                  https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjll01220yeo.amp

                                  Wells Fargo has conducted a rash of sackings in recent weeks after claims some of its employees were faking keyboard activity to fool the firm into thinking they were working.

                                  America's third largest bank disclosed the decisions in broker filings with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (Finra).

                                  The firm did not respond to questions about how the alleged issue was discovered, or whether it was related to remote work.

                                  New rules came into effect in the US this month that mean offices that brokers are using to work from home need to be inspected every three years.

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjll01220yeo.amp

                                    Wells Fargo has conducted a rash of sackings in recent weeks after claims some of its employees were faking keyboard activity to fool the firm into thinking they were working.

                                    America's third largest bank disclosed the decisions in broker filings with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (Finra).

                                    The firm did not respond to questions about how the alleged issue was discovered, or whether it was related to remote work.

                                    New rules came into effect in the US this month that mean offices that brokers are using to work from home need to be inspected every three years.

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                                    @taiwan_girl said in The Future:

                                    Wells Fargo has conducted a rash of sackings in recent weeks after claims some of its employees were faking keyboard activity to fool the firm into thinking they were working.

                                    Mechanical device that fakes keyboard & mouse activities: https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/post/282910

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