The Future
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Some isn't everybody. It ain't even most. To do it successfully, you have to be task oriented, able to focus and good at budgeting your time.
You have to produce.
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@Horace said in The Future:
Remote work for some has always been a thing. Long before Covid.
I was doing it in the 80’s. Today I decline anything that’s not. Any competent individual can come to the office every day and appear quite busy while not really doing anything
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Personally? It is to my financial benefit if most people that can work from home does work from home.
I don’t mind the lower traffic levels, too.
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I quite like being in the office. I just don't like spending 10 hours a week in the car.
If they force people to come in, people will manage their time accordingly. They're not going to get any extra out of people with long commutes who could be working from home.
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I have always thought it is important to be there in person. I suppose this is more for external meetings maybe than internal stuff. I have gone from the Asia --> US (or Europe) or vice versa for a half day meeting. Could have it have been accomplished via a computer. Sure, but I am not sure it has the same impact. Obviously, hard to prove something wouldn't have happened because I didn't go, but to me, it has always felt "worth it".
Back to the article that Jolly posted - i think that the biggest thing for in person work is new employees. I think that they definitely are behind if they are fully remote. (This is more applies to younger hires than experienced people. But definitely a problem for young hires.)
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Some isn't everybody. It ain't even most. To do it successfully, you have to be task oriented, able to focus and good at budgeting your time.
You have to produce.
@Jolly said in The Future:
Some isn't everybody. It ain't even most. To do it successfully, you have to be task oriented, able to focus and good at budgeting your time.
You have to produce.
It's 2023.
We have Trello, Proworkflow, Monday, Asana, Zoho, Hubstaff and Basecamp.
Take your pick of real-time project management. Learn immediately who isn't producing and get the exact status of everything, right now, from anyone.For hand-wavey "brainstorming" (which is a myth in my industry, it ain't real), take your pick from Slack, Teams, Yammer, Pumble, Lark, etc. Schedule meetings or start a huddle. Share files, cloud files for version control, screens, etc.
Use Miro boards or Freeform for whiteboards on steroids.
Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.
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@Jolly said in The Future:
Some isn't everybody. It ain't even most. To do it successfully, you have to be task oriented, able to focus and good at budgeting your time.
You have to produce.
It's 2023.
We have Trello, Proworkflow, Monday, Asana, Zoho, Hubstaff and Basecamp.
Take your pick of real-time project management. Learn immediately who isn't producing and get the exact status of everything, right now, from anyone.For hand-wavey "brainstorming" (which is a myth in my industry, it ain't real), take your pick from Slack, Teams, Yammer, Pumble, Lark, etc. Schedule meetings or start a huddle. Share files, cloud files for version control, screens, etc.
Use Miro boards or Freeform for whiteboards on steroids.
Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.
Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.
I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.
Like I said, it's a two-way street - the market will decide in the fullness of time, and companies that are insufficiently flexible will suffer.
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I know that kids brains are different from adult brains, but there have been a lot of studies that showed that in person learning is much better than remote learning that happened during the pandemic. There is something about human contact which is important.
(Obviously, it is not the same for everyone. some people work better remote, but for the majority, I think that the in person experience is better. Maybe not the traditional 5 days per week, but I dont think that 100% remote is teh answer.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.
Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.
I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.
Like I said, it's a two-way street - the market will decide in the fullness of time, and companies that are insufficiently flexible will suffer.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.
Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.
I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.
Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.
As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.
Please love yourself.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.
Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.
I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.
Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.
As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.
Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.
I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.
Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.
As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.
Good luck getting help from an older engineer reviewing the electrical schematic over MS Teams.
I know this is surprising, but I do actually know what I'm talking about.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.
Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.
I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.
Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.
As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.
Good luck getting help from an older engineer reviewing the electrical schematic over MS Teams.
I know this is surprising, but I do actually know what I'm talking about.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.
Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.
I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.
Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.
As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.
Good luck getting help from an older engineer reviewing the electrical schematic over MS Teams.
I know this is surprising, but I do actually know what I'm talking about.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.
Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.
I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.
Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.
As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.
Good luck getting help from an older engineer reviewing the electrical schematic over MS Teams.
I know this is surprising, but I do actually know what I'm talking about.
Not saying you didn't. I'm not talking about engineering. I get cross about the mentorship thing because that's the excuse my co-workers were given for being laid off over the Christmas break this year. It's not fair to them to keep them employed when they can't get the proper mentorship they need, y'see. They actually fucking told them that. Also collaboration, culture derpa der. So you see losing their job between Christmas and New Year's is doing them a favor.
I don't know anything about engineering. My point wasn't about engineers. My point was about how dumb it is to decide on some universal opinion on remote work. And people are right now losing their jobs because of that stupidity.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
Like so many others, this is yet another luddite manager problem, not an employee problem.
Partly true - management insecurity is a thing when they can't see what people are doing. They need to get over it.
I think there is a genuine concern for people coming in straight out of school who really don't have a lot of the basic skills they're going to need. All the software in the world won't replace being mentored for the first year or so.
Those kids grew up with ubiquitous internet. They take online life more seriously than they do the real world. They're best-suited for remote work.
As for mentorship, are you being serious? Assuming you are, I've never seen that. Ever. In any place I've ever worked. There may be such programs still in blacksmithing but to any company actually whining about "mentorship," pffft yeah okay, let's see your freaking program.
Good luck getting help from an older engineer reviewing the electrical schematic over MS Teams.
I know this is surprising, but I do actually know what I'm talking about.
Not saying you didn't. I'm not talking about engineering. I get cross about the mentorship thing because that's the excuse my co-workers were given for being laid off over the Christmas break this year. It's not fair to them to keep them employed when they can't get the proper mentorship they need, y'see. They actually fucking told them that. Also collaboration, culture derpa der. So you see losing their job between Christmas and New Year's is doing them a favor.
I don't know anything about engineering. My point wasn't about engineers. My point was about how dumb it is to decide on some universal opinion on remote work. And people are right now losing their jobs because of that stupidity.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
I don't know anything about engineering. My point wasn't about engineers. My point was about how dumb it is to decide on some universal opinion on remote work. And people are right now losing their jobs because of that stupidity.
Yes, I agree 100%. Also, companies are going to lose good people who decide to leave. We're seeing that. I actually and perhaps naively thought the workplace was going to improve on the basis of how successful partially working from home had been during the lockdown. There was all this stuff being said about work-life balance, but once again it's shown to be just talk. I think far too much of it is actually about control, when it should be about treating people who are willing to act like adults accordingly, and maybe deal with those who aren't individually, rather than with blanket return-to-work policies.
I could go on, but I'm always a little aware that I don't know who's reading this.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Future:
I don't know anything about engineering. My point wasn't about engineers. My point was about how dumb it is to decide on some universal opinion on remote work. And people are right now losing their jobs because of that stupidity.
Yes, I agree 100%. Also, companies are going to lose good people who decide to leave. We're seeing that. I actually and perhaps naively thought the workplace was going to improve on the basis of how successful partially working from home had been during the lockdown. There was all this stuff being said about work-life balance, but once again it's shown to be just talk. I think far too much of it is actually about control, when it should be about treating people who are willing to act like adults accordingly, and maybe deal with those who aren't individually, rather than with blanket return-to-work policies.
I could go on, but I'm always a little aware that I don't know who's reading this.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Future:
There was all this stuff being said about work-life balance
I never expected or wanted the company to balance my life. That was none of their business.
I knew the job was a death march when I signed up. That's what I wanted.
I know a lot of people wouldn't want to work in an environment like that. No problem.
I think the best way to not allow the company to have control of your life is to keep work and not-work separate. It is just none of their business, I'll run the outside life myself.
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There’s less work life balance than when I started doing the job. It used to be when you were at home or working on site somewhere that nobody bothered you because they couldn’t. Now there’s no escape from the incessant bullshit.
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Starting in May, Dell employees who are fully remote will not be eligible for promotion, Business Insider (BI) reported Saturday. The upcoming policy update represents a dramatic reversal from Dell's prior stance on work from home (WFH), which included CEO Michael Dell saying: "If you are counting on forced hours spent in a traditional office to create collaboration and provide a feeling of belonging within your organization, you’re doing it wrong."
Dell employees will mostly all be considered "remote" or "hybrid" starting in May, BI reported. Hybrid workers have to come into the office at least 39 days per quarter, Dell confirmed to Ars Technica, which equates to approximately three times a week. Those who would prefer to never commute to an office will not "be considered for promotion, or be able to change roles," BI reported.
