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  • LarryL Offline
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    Larry
    wrote on last edited by
    #61

    I fail to see how trying to argue that, given the long list of pure hate driven bull shit our country is having to put up with, refusing to acknowledge the obvious hate for this nation, its institutions, and its values, is not hate passes for rational thought.

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    • HoraceH Offline
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      Horace
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      #62

      Because it's a word who's definition fits. That's why people use words usually. It's ok that you don't think the definition fits.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • LarryL Offline
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        Larry
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        #63

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        • HoraceH Horace

          Because it's a word who's definition fits. That's why people use words usually. It's ok that you don't think the definition fits.

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          Catseye3
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          #64

          @Horace For purposes of discourse, I don't see why it's necessary to be dogmatic about applying such an incendiary word, that's all. Some of the people, yes, could be haters, some not. When you slap "hate" on as all-encompassing, you slam closed the gates to any open-minded consideration within yourself (not you necessarily) or any hope for meeting of minds. "Hate" signifies "Talk to the hand!" Where does that get anybody?

          Sorry, I didn't rightly intend to go off on that flight.

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • LarryL Offline
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            Larry
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            #65

            You just described to a tee how the Left operates.

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            • LarryL Offline
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              Larry
              wrote on last edited by
              #66

              The Left hates what America stands for. If they loved what America stands for they wouldn't be engaged in trying to tear down every single thing America stands for.

              Perhaps that simple truth is too complicated for some.

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              • LarryL Larry

                The Left hates what America stands for. If they loved what America stands for they wouldn't be engaged in trying to tear down every single thing America stands for.

                Perhaps that simple truth is too complicated for some.

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                Catseye3
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                #67

                @Larry Even more complicated is that hate takes many forms, and often goes unrecognized by the hater within himself. It's so easy to accuse another of harboring hate while remaining unaware of it in oneself.

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  @Horace For purposes of discourse, I don't see why it's necessary to be dogmatic about applying such an incendiary word, that's all. Some of the people, yes, could be haters, some not. When you slap "hate" on as all-encompassing, you slam closed the gates to any open-minded consideration within yourself (not you necessarily) or any hope for meeting of minds. "Hate" signifies "Talk to the hand!" Where does that get anybody?

                  Sorry, I didn't rightly intend to go off on that flight.

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                  wrote on last edited by
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                  @Catseye3 said in Trump's Taxes:

                  @Horace For purposes of discourse, I don't see why it's necessary to be dogmatic about applying such an incendiary word, that's all.

                  Left-leaning pop culture accepted the violent overthrow and occupation of a neighborhood in the CHAZ occupation. I don't think that was a light action and I think it merits a heavy word to describe the motivations.

                  Education is extremely important.

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                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                    @Larry Even more complicated is that hate takes many forms, and often goes unrecognized by the hater within himself. It's so easy to accuse another of harboring hate while remaining unaware of it in oneself.

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                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #69

                    @Catseye3 said in Trump's Taxes:

                    @Larry Even more complicated is that hate takes many forms, and often goes unrecognized by the hater within himself. It's so easy to accuse another of harboring hate while remaining unaware of it in oneself.

                    That's all well and good, please feel free to point it out if and when you see it. But being a word cop is pretty boring.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • HoraceH Horace

                      @Catseye3 said in Trump's Taxes:

                      @Horace For purposes of discourse, I don't see why it's necessary to be dogmatic about applying such an incendiary word, that's all.

                      Left-leaning pop culture accepted the violent overthrow and occupation of a neighborhood in the CHAZ occupation. I don't think that was a light action and I think it merits a heavy word to describe the motivations.

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                      #70

                      @Horace Okay.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • LarryL Offline
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                        #71

                        I admit that I hate the destruction of the American way of life and American values. I readily and proudly admit that. I do not hate people who are intellectually lacking in the ability to figure out the source of that destruction, nor do I hate the people who refuse to face up to the obvious, for whatever reason that is. But I damn sure will not sit back and let their crippled logic stand as if it has some sort of merit just to go with the flow. Too many people are doing that already.

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                        • LarryL Larry

                          I admit that I hate the destruction of the American way of life and American values. I readily and proudly admit that. I do not hate people who are intellectually lacking in the ability to figure out the source of that destruction, nor do I hate the people who refuse to face up to the obvious, for whatever reason that is. But I damn sure will not sit back and let their crippled logic stand as if it has some sort of merit just to go with the flow. Too many people are doing that already.

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                          Catseye3
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                          #72

                          @Larry Okay.

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                              @Horace For purposes of discourse, I don't see why it's necessary to be dogmatic about applying such an incendiary word, that's all. Some of the people, yes, could be haters, some not. When you slap "hate" on as all-encompassing, you slam closed the gates to any open-minded consideration within yourself (not you necessarily) or any hope for meeting of minds. "Hate" signifies "Talk to the hand!" Where does that get anybody?

                              Sorry, I didn't rightly intend to go off on that flight.

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                              @Catseye3 said in Trump's Taxes:

                              @Horace For purposes of discourse, I don't see why it's necessary to be dogmatic about applying such an incendiary word, that's all. Some of the people, yes, could be haters, some not. When you slap "hate" on as all-encompassing, you slam closed the gates to any open-minded consideration within yourself (not you necessarily) or any hope for meeting of minds. "Hate" signifies "Talk to the hand!" Where does that get anybody?

                              Sorry, I didn't rightly intend to go off on that flight.

                              You watch Bernie's CNN interview today? The one where he said Biden would be the most progressive President since FDR?

                              As soon as they remake the country into a socialist paradise, I'm sure they will be happy.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                Catseye3
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                                #75

                                Fine, fine, fine. I got in at this point to pass a thought on to TG and then made a small observation on the power of words. Got no interest in expanding that to a whole big thing.

                                I should have known better.

                                Good night. Gonna go eat a ham sandwich and go to bed.

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #76

                                  Don't forget the cheese!

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    #77

                                    One perspective that Larry always implies in his arguments, and of course so delicately presents, is "what next."
                                    So often, everyone finds a word such as "hate" and proceed to turn it on and off like a switch. That's not the way things go in reality.

                                    Tear down a statue of a slave holder? OK. But, "what's next?" Well next is what we have seen, all the way to toppling a statue of Washington, draping a flag across his face, and lighting it on fire. That was here in Portland, in case anyone thinks I'm making it up.
                                    There were several "what's next" in-between the slave holder statue, and the George Washington toppling.

                                    That's where in my opinion, the rub comes with Taiwan Girl. She is so kind, and so willing to give the benefit of the doubt, that she uses the on/off of "hate" as an argument, instead of the "what if" and thinking through the consequences as if a chess game.

                                    What if Hong Kong is absorbed into the mainland. Certainly, Xi loves China, as well as Hong Kong. But "what's next" will be Taiwan. If Hong Kong feels the love of extradition to Mainland China for even past efforts of people supporting autonomy, then "what's next" will be a cavalcade of bureaucrat Party Members, regulations, laws, and propaganda.

                                    What's Next moves to Taiwan. But, too late. The die is cast, so to speak. The process in place. The "love" of communism will overwhelm those that fill the streets in protest, and untold numbers will be extradited to the Mainland and love their new lives in prison camps somewhere near Mongolia.

                                    The end is when "what's next" ends up in Check Mate. I would not be surprised to find out that many kind and warm people such as Taiwan Girl (except living there, and protesting instead of typing views into a piano forum) will end up in an awful place.

                                    Oh, and by the way. Trump sux for not doing more to support Hong Kong. Just so nobody thinks this is a veiled Trump support rant.

                                    But, it was a rant, I'll concede that fact.

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                                      #78

                                      It was a good rant. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        Good post Rainman.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                          @taiwan_girl TG, As always, your comments are reasonable and rational, and I enjoyed reading them.

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                                          Renauda
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                                          #80

                                          @Catseye3 said in Trump's Taxes:

                                          @taiwan_girl TG, As always, your comments are reasonable and rational, and I enjoyed reading them.

                                          As do I. TG recognizes that the institutions which give the USA its strength continue to remain strong despite the outward polarization of populist sentiment. In the short term at least, I would agree with her. That institutional strength will however begin to weaken in a decade or so should the present day split continue to grow and fester.

                                          Elbows up!

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