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  • MikM Mik

    My BIL and SIL have been rabid avid Disney World goers for twenty years or so. Many staff members knew them by name. On their last trip they just said it's completely unmanageable in every way - financial, crowding, inability to find a place to eat. They won't be back.

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    @Mik said in The Invisible Hand:

    My BIL and SIL have been rabid avid Disney World goers for twenty years or so. Many staff members knew them by name. On their last trip they just said it's completely unmanageable in every way - financial, crowding, inability to find a place to eat. They won't be back.

    Wow, it really is a reflection of America!

    The Brad

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      Weird they have that impression now and not before Covid given those attendance stats above. You’d think it would have been more pleasant these last couple of years.

      Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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      • MikM Mik

        My BIL and SIL have been rabid avid Disney World goers for twenty years or so. Many staff members knew them by name. On their last trip they just said it's completely unmanageable in every way - financial, crowding, inability to find a place to eat. They won't be back.

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        George K
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        @Mik said in The Invisible Hand:

        it's completely unmanageable in every way

        Disney, where dreams come true:

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        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          Weird they have that impression now and not before Covid given those attendance stats above. You’d think it would have been more pleasant these last couple of years.

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          @jon-nyc said in The Invisible Hand:

          Weird they have that impression now and not before Covid given those attendance stats above. You’d think it would have been more pleasant these last couple of years.

          From my experience it’s mostly due to how the crowd is being managed, not the actual numbers. There have been significantly more attractions closed for repair, and fewer staff assisting in shops/restaurants. It’s very easy for fewer people to still feel more crowded if it’s not managed properly. Plus the staff has not seemed as competent and friendly, which reflects on management, hiring, training, and maintenance.

          The Brad

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            Makes sense.

            Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Weird they have that impression now and not before Covid given those attendance stats above. You’d think it would have been more pleasant these last couple of years.

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              @jon-nyc said in The Invisible Hand:

              more pleasant these last couple of years.

              If you have gone there in 2020 or 2021, then go back this year you would see a huge increase in attendance. But that is an increase from greatly decreased attendance.

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              • MikM Mik

                My BIL and SIL have been rabid avid Disney World goers for twenty years or so. Many staff members knew them by name. On their last trip they just said it's completely unmanageable in every way - financial, crowding, inability to find a place to eat. They won't be back.

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                @Mik said in The Invisible Hand:

                My BIL and SIL have been rabid avid Disney World goers for twenty years or so. Many staff members knew them by name. On their last trip they just said it's completely unmanageable in every way - financial, crowding, inability to find a place to eat. They won't be back.

                Guy I work with is an ex Disney animator. He worked on Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, basically every film during Disney's second renaissance. He visited Disney in Orlando for the first time a year back. He shared a shortened video of him walking around the park. He knew the source of nearly everything they had in every section of the park—who made the thing on the wall, what sketch it was based on, what the idea was.

                It was great hearing him talk about those things. The magic and wonder they started with. Not the shitshow the park has unfortunately become.

                Please love yourself.

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                  There’s another part of it as well. It’s not just the quality of the service that’s impacting the experience. It’s also the quality of the guests. The crowds are just generally uglier these days. Ready to take offense over any imagined slight, and ready to let EVERYBODY know their feelings about it. Also, with the exorbitant price tags compounded with the stress of the last few years, some families demand that they have THE PERFECT VACATION and stress themselves out over it. When it doesn’t turn out perfect, they just bring everyone (including cast and other guests) down with them.

                  The Brad

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                  • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                    There’s another part of it as well. It’s not just the quality of the service that’s impacting the experience. It’s also the quality of the guests. The crowds are just generally uglier these days. Ready to take offense over any imagined slight, and ready to let EVERYBODY know their feelings about it. Also, with the exorbitant price tags compounded with the stress of the last few years, some families demand that they have THE PERFECT VACATION and stress themselves out over it. When it doesn’t turn out perfect, they just bring everyone (including cast and other guests) down with them.

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                    @LuFins-Dad said in The Invisible Hand:

                    The crowds are just generally uglier these days.

                    "God, if you're 5-foot-3 and you're 300 pounds, taxes ought not to pay for your bags of Fudge Rounds"

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                    • CopperC Copper

                      @LuFins-Dad said in The Invisible Hand:

                      The crowds are just generally uglier these days.

                      "God, if you're 5-foot-3 and you're 300 pounds, taxes ought not to pay for your bags of Fudge Rounds"

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                      @Copper said in The Invisible Hand:

                      @LuFins-Dad said in The Invisible Hand:

                      The crowds are just generally uglier these days.

                      "God, if you're 5-foot-3 and you're 300 pounds, taxes ought not to pay for your bags of Fudge Rounds"

                      He didn't mean what you're implying. Go ahead and look into it.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                        @Copper said in The Invisible Hand:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in The Invisible Hand:

                        The crowds are just generally uglier these days.

                        "God, if you're 5-foot-3 and you're 300 pounds, taxes ought not to pay for your bags of Fudge Rounds"

                        He didn't mean what you're implying. Go ahead and look into it.

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                        @Aqua-Letifer said in The Invisible Hand:

                        He didn't mean what you're implying

                        He meant what the songwriter was implying.

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                          I assume he is more accepting of tall fat people.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            LuFins Dad
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                            Which he are we talking about? I love short fat people.

                            The Brad

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                            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                              Which he are we talking about? I love short fat people.

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                              @LuFins-Dad said in The Invisible Hand:

                              Which he are we talking about? I love short fat people.

                              I like Short Round.

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                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • CopperC Copper

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Invisible Hand:

                                He didn't mean what you're implying

                                He meant what the songwriter was implying.

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                                @Copper said in The Invisible Hand:

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Invisible Hand:

                                He didn't mean what you're implying

                                He meant what the songwriter was implying.

                                No, I'm talking about the songwriter. Chris Lunsford.

                                The line is an indictment against what is and is not covered by government assistance, not fat people. He's said literally that when asked about it.

                                You're quoting something you don't understand.

                                Please love yourself.

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                                  Sorry, the quote is just too deep.

                                  It’s about fat entitled people at Disney World.

                                  The ugly refers to both the weight and the behavior.

                                  But I think you know that.

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                                    Screenshot 2023-11-28 at 4.17.08 PM.png

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      So we decided to watch a Christmas Movie on Disney+ last night called Naughty Nine. Think Ocean’s Eleven with kids trying to break into Santa’s workshop. We figured that it would be fun for Finley. We made it 10 minutes before we shut it off.

                                      Right off the bat one of the main characters introduced her two dads who were very physical. Then they introduced the gay 12-13 year old boy that was the worst frigging stereotype of a flamboyant gay man, who was flirting with adult men.

                                      I don’t think they got the message about messaging.

                                      The Brad

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                                        They may have, but stuff gets greenlighted and put in the pipeline. The script may be over a year old. All the footage has probably been in the can for months.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                          perverts

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