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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    This strikes me as a potentially REALLY big deal.

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7bk3v/commercial-flights-are-experiencing-unthinkable-gps-attacks-and-nobody-knows-what-to-do

    Commercial air crews are reporting something “unthinkable” in the skies above the Middle East: novel “spoofing” attacks have caused navigation systems to fail in dozens of incidents since September.

    In late September, multiple commercial flights near Iran went astray after navigation systems went blind. The planes first received spoofed GPS signals, meaning signals designed to fool planes’ systems into thinking they are flying miles away from their real location. One of the aircraft almost flew into Iranian airspace without permission. Since then, air crews discussing the problem online have said it’s only gotten worse, and experts are racing to establish who is behind it.

    OPSGROUP, an international group of pilots and flight technicians, sounded the alarm about the incidents in September and began to collect data to share with its members and the public. According to OPSGROUP, multiple commercial aircraft in the Middle Eastern region have lost the ability to navigate after receiving spoofed navigation signals for months. And it’s not just GPS—fallback navigation systems are also corrupted, resulting in total failure.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Yup big deal. Just like a satellite disaster in space (Kessler effect, or act of aggression, or otherwise). The world relies on so many interconnected (internet/GPS) things that there will be disaster in the future, certainly. Not sure I would take any flight over the middle east right now anyway.

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      • CopperC Offline
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        On occasion, the US Federal Government is required to conduct GPS tests, training activities, and exercises that involve interfering with GPS receivers.

        https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps-service-interruptions

        This happens pretty regularly around here, maybe once a month.

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        • CopperC Offline
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          Here is an example:

          https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2023/Jun/CSG4_23-04A_GPS_Flight_Advisory.pdf

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            On occasion, the US Federal Government is required to conduct GPS tests, training activities, and exercises that involve interfering with GPS receivers.

            https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps-service-interruptions

            This happens pretty regularly around here, maybe once a month.

            George KG Offline
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            George K
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            @Copper said in "Total Navigation Failure":

            On occasion, the US Federal Government is required to conduct GPS tests, training activities, and exercises that involve interfering with GPS receivers.

            https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/gps-service-interruptions

            This happens pretty regularly around here, maybe once a month.

            Yah. but they warn you about it.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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