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  • George KG George K

    @Horace said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

    I got big latency when I connected without the box

    Interesting. I have zero latency. Perhaps there's a setting on the Roland that's causing that.

    On my piano, there's a setting to disable "local control" - that's what causes the piano to play through it's own speakers rather than pushing to the Mac and THEN to the piano speakers. A noticeable difference.

    If I select a harpsichord in PianoTeq and forget to turn off "local control," I get both playing from the piano's speakers - it's funky to say the least.

    Lot to learn, but once you've got it, you'll enjoy.

    I find myself just leaving Pianoteq set on Hamburg D. However, switching to something else produces a different experience - but you get used to that after about half an hour.

    Perhaps @kluurs has more ideas.

    How's the action, by the way?

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    Horace
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    #78

    @George-K said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

    @Horace said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

    I got big latency when I connected without the box

    Interesting. I have zero latency. Perhaps there's a setting on the Roland that's causing that.

    It's probably the windows driver. There may be something I can do about it, but I'm happy with the box.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      @George-K said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

      @Horace said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

      I got big latency when I connected without the box

      Interesting. I have zero latency. Perhaps there's a setting on the Roland that's causing that.

      It's probably the windows driver. There may be something I can do about it, but I'm happy with the box.

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      George K
      wrote on last edited by George K
      #79

      @Horace said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

      It's probably the windows driver.

      Get a ...

      Never mind.

      Here's how mine's set up (pardon the blurry pic).

      IMG_3890.jpeg

      The hookup.

      IMG_3892.jpeg

      From left to right:

      1. Computer USB input from piano (I got a right-angle USB cable)
      2. Computer audio output to piano audio in
      3. Headphone jack

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Horace
        wrote on last edited by
        #80

        Action is pretty good! This is the first thing I ever played on it. I didn't know pianoteq automatically recorded everything, but apparently I can just save anything I play to Mp3. A whole new universe of unwanted sharing awaits me. My fingers got stuck on the keys a couple times, but I'll get used to it.

        https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkSMoMNZHfn3gbBoL82j-dKYOpo1aQ?e=NGOYv3

        Education is extremely important.

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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #81

          PianoTeq is ALWAYS recording. You can save the most recent recording as a MIDI file.

          Then, at a later time, you can load that MIDI, and output to MP3, choosing what instrument you want.

          It's fun.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            kluurs
            wrote on last edited by
            #82

            I have a slightly different setup in that I have the output going to a DAC/headphone amplifier which I use to listen to the piano. It's a a little overkill. At first, I didn't realize it was always recording, but I love it as if that one in thousand times I think "that was really good. No one would believe you played it" - is there for posterity. When I plan to make a recording, things don't always go as planned.

            When I first started playing, I experimented a bit with different instruments, but as with George, I've settled into the Hamburg Steinway. For a while, nearly all of my practice was on the digital, but now I'm back to being balanced, playing the grand about 35% of the time and the Roland the rest. It's nice for real work where I want to play a couple of lines 1100 times until muscle memory is better. Playing the real piano keeps me honest - and sometimes brings out things I didn't catch on the digital.

            I'm using a PC to store Pianoteq and also for Roon and streaming. I don't use it for anything else.

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            • kluursK kluurs

              I have a slightly different setup in that I have the output going to a DAC/headphone amplifier which I use to listen to the piano. It's a a little overkill. At first, I didn't realize it was always recording, but I love it as if that one in thousand times I think "that was really good. No one would believe you played it" - is there for posterity. When I plan to make a recording, things don't always go as planned.

              When I first started playing, I experimented a bit with different instruments, but as with George, I've settled into the Hamburg Steinway. For a while, nearly all of my practice was on the digital, but now I'm back to being balanced, playing the grand about 35% of the time and the Roland the rest. It's nice for real work where I want to play a couple of lines 1100 times until muscle memory is better. Playing the real piano keeps me honest - and sometimes brings out things I didn't catch on the digital.

              I'm using a PC to store Pianoteq and also for Roon and streaming. I don't use it for anything else.

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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #83

              @kluurs said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

              I have a slightly different setup in that I have the output going to a DAC/headphone amplifier which I use to listen to the piano. It's a a little overkill.

              But still you listen to the pianoteq sounds, right?

              Education is extremely important.

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                Horace
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                #84

                The treble on the HB Steinway "classical" mode is beautiful.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • HoraceH Horace

                  Here we are. My Steinway Ds (one Hamburg and one NY) and my Bechstein 282. Why not 283? I don’t know. Maybe Bechstein is just lazy. I got the audio interface box just in case I had latency with windows audio. I did, and with the box there is none. So I won’t be returning it.

                  The Pianoteq license gave me two pianos, and I chose the Steinway package because there’s two of them, and I think Pianoteq spent the most development on them. The Bechstein is on honor of our dearly departed Larry. I will play a lot of classical music on it. His favorite.

                  2294AFF5-F5D2-4ED2-BFC8-825D43C24E64.jpeg

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                  @Horace said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

                  Here we are. My Steinway Ds (one Hamburg and one NY) and my Bechstein 282. Why not 283? I don’t know. Maybe Bechstein is just lazy. I got the audio interface box just in case I had latency with windows audio. I did, and with the box there is none. So I won’t be returning it.

                  The Pianoteq license gave me two pianos, and I chose the Steinway package because there’s two of them, and I think Pianoteq spent the most development on them. The Bechstein is on honor of our dearly departed Larry. I will play a lot of classical music on it. His favorite.

                  2294AFF5-F5D2-4ED2-BFC8-825D43C24E64.jpeg

                  I have to admit your proximity to the bathroom door is quite inspirational. To be able to traverse between the ivory gods and the porcelain false gods is nothing short of brave.

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                  • 89th8 89th

                    @Horace said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

                    Here we are. My Steinway Ds (one Hamburg and one NY) and my Bechstein 282. Why not 283? I don’t know. Maybe Bechstein is just lazy. I got the audio interface box just in case I had latency with windows audio. I did, and with the box there is none. So I won’t be returning it.

                    The Pianoteq license gave me two pianos, and I chose the Steinway package because there’s two of them, and I think Pianoteq spent the most development on them. The Bechstein is on honor of our dearly departed Larry. I will play a lot of classical music on it. His favorite.

                    2294AFF5-F5D2-4ED2-BFC8-825D43C24E64.jpeg

                    I have to admit your proximity to the bathroom door is quite inspirational. To be able to traverse between the ivory gods and the porcelain false gods is nothing short of brave.

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                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #86

                    @89th said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

                    @Horace said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

                    Here we are. My Steinway Ds (one Hamburg and one NY) and my Bechstein 282. Why not 283? I don’t know. Maybe Bechstein is just lazy. I got the audio interface box just in case I had latency with windows audio. I did, and with the box there is none. So I won’t be returning it.

                    The Pianoteq license gave me two pianos, and I chose the Steinway package because there’s two of them, and I think Pianoteq spent the most development on them. The Bechstein is on honor of our dearly departed Larry. I will play a lot of classical music on it. His favorite.

                    2294AFF5-F5D2-4ED2-BFC8-825D43C24E64.jpeg

                    I have to admit your proximity to the bathroom door is quite inspirational. To be able to traverse between the ivory gods and the porcelain false gods is nothing short of brave.

                    That's my office closet. I keep all my gay in there.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Horace
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #87

                      just noticed this morning a loud clicking noise coming from several of the black keys if they are released quickly. it's loud enough, and intermittent enough across the keyboard, that it can't be normal. I'll go to Costco today and buy another and swap the keyboards and return it as defective. Hopefully they are still in stock.

                      Education is extremely important.

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        just noticed this morning a loud clicking noise coming from several of the black keys if they are released quickly. it's loud enough, and intermittent enough across the keyboard, that it can't be normal. I'll go to Costco today and buy another and swap the keyboards and return it as defective. Hopefully they are still in stock.

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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #88

                        @Horace sigh...

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #89

                          I've decided it's less unethical to return the floor-bought piano as the online purchased piano, as long as the keyboard you're returning really is defective, and really is the one you got online.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Copper
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                            #90

                            Tell the Costco guy what you are doing.

                            He won't care.

                            Then you might feel better about it.

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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #91

                              Got someone who's pickup you can borrow?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG George K

                                Got someone who's pickup you can borrow?

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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #92

                                @George-K said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

                                Got someone who's pickup you can borrow?

                                They unboxed keyboard fits comfortably in my trunk with the back seat folded down.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  Rainman
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #93

                                  But what caused the clicking sound?
                                  Ace Hardware sells a kit for working on electronic instruments.
                                  Good time for you to familiarize yourself with your new piano!
                                  Take it apart, get the grease gun out of the garage, go to it.
                                  Or, I guess let warranty take care of it if necessary.
                                  But have the grease gun at the ready.

                                  Anyway, huge congratulations on the piano. I'm envious, in a good supportive way.
                                  And, more recordings! That was enjoyable!

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                                  • RainmanR Rainman

                                    But what caused the clicking sound?
                                    Ace Hardware sells a kit for working on electronic instruments.
                                    Good time for you to familiarize yourself with your new piano!
                                    Take it apart, get the grease gun out of the garage, go to it.
                                    Or, I guess let warranty take care of it if necessary.
                                    But have the grease gun at the ready.

                                    Anyway, huge congratulations on the piano. I'm envious, in a good supportive way.
                                    And, more recordings! That was enjoyable!

                                    HoraceH Offline
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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #94

                                    @Rainman said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

                                    But what caused the clicking sound?
                                    Ace Hardware sells a kit for working on electronic instruments.
                                    Good time for you to familiarize yourself with your new piano!
                                    Take it apart, get the grease gun out of the garage, go to it.
                                    Or, I guess let warranty take care of it if necessary.
                                    But have the grease gun at the ready.

                                    Anyway, huge congratulations on the piano. I'm envious, in a good supportive way.
                                    And, more recordings! That was enjoyable!

                                    Thanks RM. I don't really fit behind the keyboard because I'm so fat, which is why I miss some notes sometimes.

                                    I just went to costco and replaced the keyboard. This one is totally click-less, feels perfect, but the bluetooth doesn't work. Sigh.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #95

                                      What headphones do you Pianoteq peeps use? I am investing in Sennheiser 650s. I think I am bottlenecked in sound quality with my cheap headphones.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • HoraceH Horace

                                        What headphones do you Pianoteq peeps use? I am investing in Sennheiser 650s. I think I am bottlenecked in sound quality with my cheap headphones.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #96

                                        @Horace said in Thinking of getting a digital piano:

                                        What headphones do you Pianoteq peeps use?

                                        You'll have to go to @kluurs for that one. I use some cheapo headphones - a no-name brand. For my needs they're OK. If I want great, room-filling, sound, I'll go to my grand.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          kluurs
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #97

                                          I use Sennheiser HD 800 which I run through a Topping D90SE DAC/headphone amplifier.

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