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A Letter on Justice and Open Debate

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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
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    #11

    Well I said reminded. I’m no fan of the trans fad but I will give trans women one thing. They are capable of being vaguely reminiscent of women enough to remind one of women.

    Education is extremely important.

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      George K
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      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • jon-nycJ Offline
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        #13

        Plus you can’t really rule out the possibility that the legion of women who have refused to have sex with you included some trans women.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

          He’s starting to notice some of the extreme positions of his fellow travelers and it seems to be making him nervous. That’s a good sign. (I see people retweet some of his tweets about it). I was wondering/hoping about Klein as well but I doubt he’ll break until they actually come for him.

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          @jon-nyc said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

          He’s starting to notice some of the extreme positions of his fellow travelers and it seems to be making him nervous. That’s a good sign. (I see people retweet some of his tweets about it). I was wondering/hoping about Klein as well but I doubt he’ll break until they actually come for him.

          And....
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          Only non-witches get due process.

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            Doctor Phibes
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            "I will defend free speech that I agree with to the death. Well, your death at least."

            I was only joking

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
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              #16

              It’s so ironic. That woman seems like she needs a good dick. And yet that’s the very thing she cut off.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • HoraceH Offline
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                Horace
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                I will have to listen to his podcast. I am sure he will devote some words to attempting to reconcile with this.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  jon-nyc
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                  #18

                  Be a saint and note the time on the podcast where he starts talking about it. So if it’s interesting we don’t have to listen to the whole thing.

                  Only non-witches get due process.

                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      Caitlin’s on a roll.

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                      Only non-witches get due process.

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                      • HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
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                        #21

                        I was surprised to see, browsing twitter about this, that trans folk think American politics is obsessed with them. The obsession is, in their mind, an obsession with hating them, but it's definitely all about them one way or another. Meanwhile, it's not my feeling that much of anybody gives them a second thought. There's only one oppressed group in America that actually matters politically. And I doubt that group is going to be locking hands in solidarity with the trans community any time soon.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          I was surprised to see, browsing twitter about this, that trans folk think American politics is obsessed with them. The obsession is, in their mind, an obsession with hating them, but it's definitely all about them one way or another. Meanwhile, it's not my feeling that much of anybody gives them a second thought. There's only one oppressed group in America that actually matters politically. And I doubt that group is going to be locking hands in solidarity with the trans community any time soon.

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                          @Horace said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

                          Meanwhile, it's not my feeling that much of anybody gives them a second thought.

                          I do. I give them many second thoughts, and they're all the same: Shut UP.

                          Okay, and also a third thought: I don't believe in transes. Everybody is what s/he was born as, period, end of the report. So, back to my second thought, Shut UP.

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            International Manhunt Under Way For Those Who Signed Letter Supporting Tolerance Of Differing Viewpoints

                            People were alarmed Tuesday to see a disturbing letter published in Harper Magazine which asked for a more tolerant atmosphere for dissenting viewpoints. The letter was followed by a list of signatories, which has been handed to Interpol, who are now trying to hunt down these dangerous individuals.

                            “I mean, these people say you should be able to disagree about things without fear for your life and your job,” said trans activist Kendra Chandler. “And they signed this letter along with people who think gender has something to do with biology! I feel unsafe just knowing these people are out there.”

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                            This attack on progressivism -- suggesting people shouldn’t be terrified to say something different from what is currently considered progressive thought -- has shaken the Left, but they have vowed to punish everyone associated with it. Already a few of the signatories have been captured and have subsequently denounced ever thinking open debate is okay. Most of the signatories are still at large, though, and if you encounter anyone who wants a society capable of handling differing viewpoints, Interpol has created a hotline to call.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              LuFins Dad
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                              Humanity has jumped the shark.

                              The Brad

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                Humanity has jumped the shark.

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                                Horace
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                                #25

                                @LuFins-Dad said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

                                Humanity has jumped the shark.

                                And anybody who claims that the left and the right are equally culpable in this shark jump is either silly in the head, or dishonest. Trump was elected in large part because he appealed to those who are watching the shark jump and disgusted that they can't talk about it out loud.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  @LuFins-Dad said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

                                  Humanity has jumped the shark.

                                  And anybody who claims that the left and the right are equally culpable in this shark jump is either silly in the head, or dishonest. Trump was elected in large part because he appealed to those who are watching the shark jump and disgusted that they can't talk about it out loud.

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                                  xenon
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                                  #26

                                  @Horace the only reason I’d root for Trump to win the next election is to hammer home the point that you can’t muzzle people.

                                  To that extent I’m almost ambivalent about the outcome.

                                  Almost... it'd end up winding the crazy pendulum even harder.

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                                    #27

                                    Matt Yglesias shut down by his boss.

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                                    Only non-witches get due process.

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                                      Best comment:

                                      Ezra Klein subtweeting and muzzling Yglesias, while allowing employees to tweet out public letters about how unsafe he's made them feel is 100% ultimate god-level douchebaggery. I would resign by the end of the day today.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        Loki
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                                        I am not following the controversy? Why are people withdrawing their signature?

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          Plus you can’t really rule out the possibility that the legion of women who have refused to have sex with you included some trans women.

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                                          #30

                                          @jon-nyc said in A Letter on Justice and Open Debate:

                                          Plus you can’t really rule out the possibility that the legion of women who have refused to have sex with you included some trans women.

                                          You never know until you ask!

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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