Sweden - the world's cautionary tale

[Mik]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html?referringSource=articleShare&fbclid=IwAR0dcSt6VKmtVRHyvhPuxml6VKSz0Uz0k3a0lEMDIcyrLopc6ICedEubNYs

[Horace]

Duly noted about the increased death count but

“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”

Sweden put stock in the sensibility of its people as it largely avoided imposing government prohibitions. The government allowed restaurants, gyms, shops, playgrounds and most schools to remain open. By contrast, Denmark and Norway opted for strict quarantines, banning large groups and locking down shops and restaurants.

So, we're supposed to believe that locking down shops and restaurants would have had no effect on the economy or on jobs, because statistics?

[bachophile]

@Horace no you are supposed to understand that the non lockdown in Sweden didn’t protect their economy.

The economy of all nations is fucked. It’s more a question of how many of youR citizens are you willing to sacrifice.

[Horace]

Sure, they're willing to sacrifice more of their citizens in order to stay open. That's not a trade-off that's impossible to understand. There is value in maintaining an open society, regardless of any dubious assertion that there is no economic benefit to it as compared to a lock down. If the Swedes want to stay the course with an open society, I respect that. I won't be among those trying to heap shame on them. I am curious what the discussion is like among the citizens there.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Horace said in Sweden - the world's cautionary tale:

I am curious what the discussion is like among the citizens there.

None of the people who died have complained, which is a bit suspicious.

[Loki]

Sweden had 0 coronavirus cases today. Anyone know why?

[Horace]

Because they're all dead? Has anybody heard from a Swede lately? Maybe someone should pick up a phone.

[Loki]

@Horace said in Sweden - the world's cautionary tale:

Because they're all dead? Has anybody heard from a Swede lately? Maybe someone should pick up a phone.

Cases have steadily declined to 0 of late but it keeps appearing in the news, can’t figure out the disconnect.

[jon-nyc]

That's cool. What do you make of it, Loki?

[jon-nyc]

Where are you seeing that?

Worldometers says there were 34.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/

[jon-nyc]

Johns Hopkins says 175

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[Loki]

@jon-nyc said in Sweden - the world's cautionary tale:

That's cool. What do you make of it, Loki?

I only have no clue. It’s a mystery because compared to Norway and Finland they are bad. So if they re-shut down it would be massively quick. Or they test less?

[Copper]

@jon-nyc said in Sweden - the world's cautionary tale:

Johns Hopkins says 175

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I think this is cases, not deaths

Deaths: