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  • MikM Mik

    So lemme get this straight… white guys shooting other white people is racist. Ooooookay.

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    @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

    So lemme get this straight… white guys shooting other white people is racist. Ooooookay.

    1. Owning firearms is racist

    2. poor funding and understanding of mental health is racist.

    The Brad

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    • George KG George K

      Of course.

      It's racist.

      image.jpeg

      https://www.portlandmaine.gov/723/City-Council

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      @George-K

      That woman has some fookin’ serious pathology to write that unmitigated B.S..

      Elbows up!

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        https://www.portlandmaine.gov/741/Council-Bios

        https://americandemocracysummit.org/speaker/victoria-pelletier/

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Cannot find the pictured content on the linked page. What am I missing?

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          • AxtremusA Axtremus

            Cannot find the pictured content on the linked page. What am I missing?

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            @Axtremus said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

            Cannot find the pictured content on the linked page. What am I missing?

            Biography at the City Council's website.

            Her own biography.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              George K
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              #33

              Dead, of a self-inflicted GSW.

              https://www.wsj.com/us-news/maine-shooting-manhunt-third-day-a335220d?mod=djemalertNEWS

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Offline
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                #34

                What a waste. If I live to be a thousand I'll never understand it.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  It's something in the culture. Not the gun culture, the culture at large. There are other countries that have a lot of firearms, but have very few mass shooting events (if any).

                  Aqua will argue the point, but the army changed from bullseye targets to human silhouette targets, to train soldiers to shoot people. It worked. If that works, then why not first-person shooter games?

                  And what has changed in our culture to promote mass shootings? Until the Bell Tower event, I'm hard pressed to recall any mass shootings in the U.S.

                  Lastly, our approach to mental health has to change. Has to.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    #36

                    Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

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                      #37

                      @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                      Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                      They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                      Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                      Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                      Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                        @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                        Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                        They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                        Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                        Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                        Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

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                        #38

                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                        American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto

                        I wonder why they chose upstate New York.

                        Had they chosen Chicago, NYC or another city, would the results have been different?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                          American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto

                          I wonder why they chose upstate New York.

                          Had they chosen Chicago, NYC or another city, would the results have been different?

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                          @George-K said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                          American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto

                          I wonder why they chose upstate New York.

                          Had they chosen Chicago, NYC or another city, would the results have been different?

                          Proximity to one another was important for the study. They wanted to start off with kids who had a mutual unfavorable opinion of each other. Problem was, students in other states had very little opinion on Toronto.

                          Please love yourself.

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                          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                            @George-K said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                            American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto

                            I wonder why they chose upstate New York.

                            Had they chosen Chicago, NYC or another city, would the results have been different?

                            Proximity to one another was important for the study. They wanted to start off with kids who had a mutual unfavorable opinion of each other. Problem was, students in other states had very little opinion on Toronto.

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                            @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                            students in other states had very little opinion on Toronto

                            And rightly so...

                            Sorry for the snark - interesting. Very interesting.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                              students in other states had very little opinion on Toronto

                              And rightly so...

                              Sorry for the snark - interesting. Very interesting.

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                              @George-K said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                              @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                              students in other states had very little opinion on Toronto

                              And rightly so...

                              Sorry for the snark - interesting. Very interesting.

                              They tested the type of game, too. They tried the same experiment with 1v1, co-op and last man standing. I forget what the results were, broken down that way, except that it wasn't exactly what was expected.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                                They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                                Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                                Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                                Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

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                                #42

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                                They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                                Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                                Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                                Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

                                All of which has exactly nothing to do with what I posted. I don't think it's even questionable that positive interaction breeds more positive feelings.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • MikM Mik

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                  @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                  Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                                  They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                                  Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                                  Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                                  Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

                                  All of which has exactly nothing to do with what I posted. I don't think it's even questionable that positive interaction breeds more positive feelings.

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                                  Aqua Letifer
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                                  @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                  @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                  Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                                  They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                                  Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                                  Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                                  Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

                                  All of which has exactly nothing to do with what I posted. I don't think it's even questionable that positive interaction breeds more positive feelings.

                                  It has everything to do with what you posted.

                                  There's interaction in video games. Which makes diagnosing their effects very complicated.

                                  There's no interaction with TV.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                  • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                    @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                    @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                    Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                                    They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                                    Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                                    Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                                    Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

                                    All of which has exactly nothing to do with what I posted. I don't think it's even questionable that positive interaction breeds more positive feelings.

                                    It has everything to do with what you posted.

                                    There's interaction in video games. Which makes diagnosing their effects very complicated.

                                    There's no interaction with TV.

                                    JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #44

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                    @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                    @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                    @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                    Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                                    They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                                    Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                                    Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                                    Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

                                    All of which has exactly nothing to do with what I posted. I don't think it's even questionable that positive interaction breeds more positive feelings.

                                    It has everything to do with what you posted.

                                    There's interaction in video games. Which makes diagnosing their effects very complicated.

                                    There's no interaction with TV.

                                    True, but...

                                    I like TCM. One of the reasons are the host's presentations before and after a movie, particularly a movie that has had a lasting effect on the public and the business. Plus, their restorations of old movies are top notch.

                                    Last night, I was catching the Friday Night Double Feature for October (all spooky movies on Friday night this month). The movies were the 1931's Frankenstein and 1936's Bride of Frankenstein. In 1931, Universal inserted a disclaimer at the beginning of the movie, warning those with sensitive dispositions that this might not be the movie for them and if they wished to leave the theater, now was the time, before the start of the movie.

                                    Compared to what goes on in a horror film of today, Frankenstein qualified as children's programming. Yet, when released, it was straight up Gothic Horror.

                                    Does our current apathy or acceptance for blood and gore in media help fuel some of this current mental instability?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                      @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                      @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                      Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                                      They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                                      Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                                      Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                                      Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

                                      All of which has exactly nothing to do with what I posted. I don't think it's even questionable that positive interaction breeds more positive feelings.

                                      It has everything to do with what you posted.

                                      There's interaction in video games. Which makes diagnosing their effects very complicated.

                                      There's no interaction with TV.

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                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                      @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                      @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                      Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                                      They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                                      Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                                      Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                                      Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

                                      All of which has exactly nothing to do with what I posted. I don't think it's even questionable that positive interaction breeds more positive feelings.

                                      It has everything to do with what you posted.

                                      There's interaction in video games. Which makes diagnosing their effects very complicated.

                                      There's no interaction with TV.

                                      I said nothing about video games. It was all about TV.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • MikM Mik

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                        @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                        @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                        Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                                        They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                                        Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                                        Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                                        Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

                                        All of which has exactly nothing to do with what I posted. I don't think it's even questionable that positive interaction breeds more positive feelings.

                                        It has everything to do with what you posted.

                                        There's interaction in video games. Which makes diagnosing their effects very complicated.

                                        There's no interaction with TV.

                                        I said nothing about video games. It was all about TV.

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                                        Aqua Letifer
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                                        @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                        @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                        @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                        @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                        Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                                        They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                                        Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                                        Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                                        Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

                                        All of which has exactly nothing to do with what I posted. I don't think it's even questionable that positive interaction breeds more positive feelings.

                                        It has everything to do with what you posted.

                                        There's interaction in video games. Which makes diagnosing their effects very complicated.

                                        There's no interaction with TV.

                                        I said nothing about video games. It was all about TV.

                                        True, and as a reply to Jolly about video games. I agree with you but drawing a distinction between what you posted and what Jolly started with, that you replied to.

                                        Please love yourself.

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                          @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                          @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                          Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                                          They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                                          Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                                          Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                                          Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

                                          All of which has exactly nothing to do with what I posted. I don't think it's even questionable that positive interaction breeds more positive feelings.

                                          It has everything to do with what you posted.

                                          There's interaction in video games. Which makes diagnosing their effects very complicated.

                                          There's no interaction with TV.

                                          True, but...

                                          I like TCM. One of the reasons are the host's presentations before and after a movie, particularly a movie that has had a lasting effect on the public and the business. Plus, their restorations of old movies are top notch.

                                          Last night, I was catching the Friday Night Double Feature for October (all spooky movies on Friday night this month). The movies were the 1931's Frankenstein and 1936's Bride of Frankenstein. In 1931, Universal inserted a disclaimer at the beginning of the movie, warning those with sensitive dispositions that this might not be the movie for them and if they wished to leave the theater, now was the time, before the start of the movie.

                                          Compared to what goes on in a horror film of today, Frankenstein qualified as children's programming. Yet, when released, it was straight up Gothic Horror.

                                          Does our current apathy or acceptance for blood and gore in media help fuel some of this current mental instability?

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                                          Aqua Letifer
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                                          @Jolly said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                          @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                          @Aqua-Letifer said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                          @Mik said in Shooting in Lewiston ME:

                                          Every time you turn on the TV you see people solving problems with firearms. A constant diet of that simply has to wire us differently.

                                          They did this test awhile back: they took American college kids in upstate New York, and Canadian college kids in Toronto. Had them both fill out a fairly lengthy questionnaire testing what they thought of their age group in the opposite country.

                                          Then they had the kids play Call of Duty against one another for an afternoon. Then they retook the questionnaire.

                                          Overwhelmingly, opinions became much more favorable because understanding increased.

                                          Video games can absolutely feed bad behaviors, but because those exact same games can feed good behaviors, too, I don't buy that it's a boogeyman.

                                          All of which has exactly nothing to do with what I posted. I don't think it's even questionable that positive interaction breeds more positive feelings.

                                          It has everything to do with what you posted.

                                          There's interaction in video games. Which makes diagnosing their effects very complicated.

                                          There's no interaction with TV.

                                          Does our current apathy or acceptance for blood and gore in media help fuel some of this current mental instability?

                                          I dunno. On the one hand, I hate modern horror, for much of these reasons. On the other, Japan has always produced fucked up movies and TV but their thing is suicides, not homicides.

                                          Please love yourself.

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