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  • G George K
    17 Sept 2023, 01:26

    From the RWEC...

    Comment on Twitter has focused heavily on the racial component of the murder. It is true, as many have said, that if the races were reversed this would be iconic, world-famous proof of structural racism. Joe Biden likely would give a speech about it.

    Obviously, one shouldn’t go too far in this direction. It would be folly to draw broad conclusions from a single incident (although that happened, for example, in the case of George Floyd). This is an extreme case, and the young men who committed this crime should, in my opinion, be executed.

    But while extreme, it is also one instance of a very widespread problem. We can say, empirically, that there is a terrible sickness in the black community. In my state, blacks commit serious crimes at ten times the per capita rate of whites. That is according to official government statistics. I doubt that the numbers would be much different in other states.

    The United States is in the midst of a crime wave, and the crimes are being committed disproportionately by blacks. It is time to stop bloviating about racism and start holding criminals–of all races–accountable.

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    Jolly
    wrote on 17 Sept 2023, 12:16 last edited by
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    @George-K said in Murder of a bicyclist.:

    From the RWEC...

    Comment on Twitter has focused heavily on the racial component of the murder. It is true, as many have said, that if the races were reversed this would be iconic, world-famous proof of structural racism. Joe Biden likely would give a speech about it.

    Obviously, one shouldn’t go too far in this direction. It would be folly to draw broad conclusions from a single incident (although that happened, for example, in the case of George Floyd). This is an extreme case, and the young men who committed this crime should, in my opinion, be executed.

    But while extreme, it is also one instance of a very widespread problem. We can say, empirically, that there is a terrible sickness in the black community. In my state, blacks commit serious crimes at ten times the per capita rate of whites. That is according to official government statistics. I doubt that the numbers would be much different in other states.

    The United States is in the midst of a crime wave, and the crimes are being committed disproportionately by blacks. It is time to stop bloviating about racism and start holding criminals–of all races–accountable.

    I agree.

    And I have another proposal...Instead of sending some of the lower-level lawbreakers to juvie, send them to a regional Army boot camp. The boot camp would be modeled after the National Guard Challenge programs, but of longer duration and with more security.

    Inmates (or whatever you wish to call them) would do serious classwork for a GED. They will enjoy the parameters of a rigid military life. They will receive counseling. They will receive classes on life skills, including financial, home economics, basic manners and an introduction to various trades.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Horace
      wrote on 25 Oct 2023, 15:06 last edited by
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      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/las-vegas-teens-charged-in-hit-and-run-killing-of-bicyclist-that-was-allegedly-filmed-get-trial-date/ar-AA1iN7Hq?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5643bf8d2efc455da46e6540a350ab95&ei=12

      Caught and charged. Giving face tattoos a bad name.

      Education is extremely important.

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      • H Horace
        25 Oct 2023, 15:06

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/las-vegas-teens-charged-in-hit-and-run-killing-of-bicyclist-that-was-allegedly-filmed-get-trial-date/ar-AA1iN7Hq?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5643bf8d2efc455da46e6540a350ab95&ei=12

        Caught and charged. Giving face tattoos a bad name.

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        Aqua Letifer
        wrote on 25 Oct 2023, 16:37 last edited by
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        @Horace said in Murder of a bicyclist.:

        Caught and charged. Giving face tattoos a bad name.

        Untrue! It's the face tattoos that caused him to do it! Everyone knows that.

        Please love yourself.

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          George K
          wrote on 25 Oct 2023, 16:46 last edited by
          #11

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Horace
            wrote on 25 Oct 2023, 16:54 last edited by
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            I think the kids do that to build up some prison cred. They know where they’re going.

            Education is extremely important.

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              kluurs
              wrote on 25 Oct 2023, 18:43 last edited by
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              That kind of behavior worked out well for the Manson girls.

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                George K
                wrote on 26 Oct 2023, 18:07 last edited by
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                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 26 Oct 2023, 18:08 last edited by
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                  Nice.

                  I was only joking

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 26 Oct 2023, 18:12 last edited by
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                    narratives attached to out of context snapshots of facial expressions are generally garbage. I’m more than willing to give the lawyer the benefit of doubt.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • H Horace
                      26 Oct 2023, 18:12

                      narratives attached to out of context snapshots of facial expressions are generally garbage. I’m more than willing to give the lawyer the benefit of doubt.

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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on 26 Oct 2023, 18:19 last edited by
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                      @Horace said in Murder of a bicyclist.:

                      narratives attached to out of context snapshots of facial expressions are generally garbage. I’m more than willing to give the lawyer the benefit of doubt.

                      Yes, you're right. Who knows what was happening here?

                      I was only joking

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                        Mik
                        wrote on 26 Oct 2023, 20:05 last edited by
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                        Whatever it is, laughter is out of place. he was flipping off the victim's family as well.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik
                          26 Oct 2023, 20:05

                          Whatever it is, laughter is out of place. he was flipping off the victim's family as well.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 26 Oct 2023, 20:22 last edited by
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                          @Mik said in Murder of a bicyclist.:

                          Whatever it is, laughter is out of place. he was flipping off the victim's family as well.

                          I was one of three defendants during a malpractice trial in 1996. Our attorney said, at the beginning of the trial, that although it's scary AF in the beginning, after a few days, you'll start to see and appreciate the "game" of it all. He was right.

                          But...

                          There was never, ever, that kind of behavior, either by plaintiff's attorney or ours.

                          Yeah, a picture can be taken out of context. But, they're both laughing, and I'd like to know what was so funny.

                          By the way, yesterday, I read that this was not the first hit and run that these two miscreants did that day. The other victim sustained minor injuries.

                          Lock them up. In a small cage. Forever. This is pure evil and needs to be removed from society. Forever.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 26 Oct 2023, 20:35 last edited by
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                            Agreed.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              kluurs
                              wrote on 27 Oct 2023, 22:28 last edited by
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                              Yup - the world has plenty of people - a few fewer sociopaths on the outside isn't a bad thing. Back when the Soviet Union dissolved, columnist Mike Royko recommended saving money by shipping people like that to Soviet gullags as it would be cheaper to house them there - and if they escaped, they only had to walk through a few hundred miles of waist deep snow to freedom - which seemed unlikely.

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                              • H Horace
                                25 Oct 2023, 15:06

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/las-vegas-teens-charged-in-hit-and-run-killing-of-bicyclist-that-was-allegedly-filmed-get-trial-date/ar-AA1iN7Hq?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5643bf8d2efc455da46e6540a350ab95&ei=12

                                Caught and charged. Giving face tattoos a bad name.

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                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on 28 Oct 2023, 03:33 last edited by
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                                @Horace said in Murder of a bicyclist.:

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/las-vegas-teens-charged-in-hit-and-run-killing-of-bicyclist-that-was-allegedly-filmed-get-trial-date/ar-AA1iN7Hq?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5643bf8d2efc455da46e6540a350ab95&ei=12

                                Caught and charged. Giving face tattoos a bad name.

                                @Horace said in Murder of a bicyclist.:

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/las-vegas-teens-charged-in-hit-and-run-killing-of-bicyclist-that-was-allegedly-filmed-get-trial-date/ar-AA1iN7Hq?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5643bf8d2efc455da46e6540a350ab95&ei=12

                                Caught and charged. Giving face tattoos a bad name.

                                I know a serious subject but a funny comment by you. 😛

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                                • G George K
                                  26 Oct 2023, 20:22

                                  @Mik said in Murder of a bicyclist.:

                                  Whatever it is, laughter is out of place. he was flipping off the victim's family as well.

                                  I was one of three defendants during a malpractice trial in 1996. Our attorney said, at the beginning of the trial, that although it's scary AF in the beginning, after a few days, you'll start to see and appreciate the "game" of it all. He was right.

                                  But...

                                  There was never, ever, that kind of behavior, either by plaintiff's attorney or ours.

                                  Yeah, a picture can be taken out of context. But, they're both laughing, and I'd like to know what was so funny.

                                  By the way, yesterday, I read that this was not the first hit and run that these two miscreants did that day. The other victim sustained minor injuries.

                                  Lock them up. In a small cage. Forever. This is pure evil and needs to be removed from society. Forever.

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on 28 Oct 2023, 03:35 last edited by
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                                  @George-K said in Murder of a bicyclist.:

                                  Yeah, a picture can be taken out of context. But, they're both laughing, and I'd like to know what was so funny.

                                  I remember in a training class, there was a story about (I think Cyprus) and when the Turkey leader met with the Greece leader, he told a joke right when they met. And he directed his photographers ahead of time to take a picture at that time so it looked like they were best friends even though they were kind of enemies on this subject.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 13 Oct 2024, 12:17 last edited by
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                                    Unfit to stand trial

                                    https://nypost.com/2024/10/12/us-news/vegas-teen-jesus-ayala-accused-of-killing-retired-police-chief-andreas-probst-in-hit-and-run-found-unfit-to-stand-trial/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost

                                    The Las Vegas teen accused of intentionally driving into a retired police chief as part of a violent, laughter-filled crime spree was deemed incompetent to stand trial for the deadly hit and run.

                                    Jesus Ayala, 19, was ordered to a Nevada psychiatric hospital Wednesday for treatment to restore his competency, Chief Deputy Public Defender David Westbrook told the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

                                    The order, issued by Eighth Judicial District Judge District Judge Christy Craig, was out of an “abundance of caution” and suspends criminal charges against Ayala.

                                    Craig had previously alluded to finding the teen as competent, but Westbrook had requested state doctors to review a report from a neuropsychologist before an official ruling was made, according to the Review-Journal.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Klaus
                                      wrote on 14 Oct 2024, 05:03 last edited by
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                                      Silly question but does the arm of the driver, which is briefly visible, look black?

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                                      • KlausK Klaus
                                        14 Oct 2024, 05:03

                                        Silly question but does the arm of the driver, which is briefly visible, look black?

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 14 Oct 2024, 11:24 last edited by
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                                        @Klaus said in Murder of a bicyclist.:

                                        Silly question but does the arm of the driver, which is briefly visible, look black?

                                        There's a picture of the driver with his attorney upthread.

                                        Also in the article linked in the post above yours.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • G George K
                                          14 Oct 2024, 11:24

                                          @Klaus said in Murder of a bicyclist.:

                                          Silly question but does the arm of the driver, which is briefly visible, look black?

                                          There's a picture of the driver with his attorney upthread.

                                          Also in the article linked in the post above yours.

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                                          Klaus
                                          wrote on 14 Oct 2024, 11:52 last edited by
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                                          @George-K said in Murder of a bicyclist.:

                                          @Klaus said in Murder of a bicyclist.:

                                          Silly question but does the arm of the driver, which is briefly visible, look black?

                                          There's a picture of the driver with his attorney upthread.

                                          Also in the article linked in the post above yours.

                                          Ah, thanks. Hm, I've never quite understood what "Black" means, but that guy doesn't look very black to me. More like, I don't know, Mexican? Maybe some mixed heritage? Or is being "Black" a cultural thing these days?

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