The Gag Order

[George K]

If I'm arrested for, say, auto theft, and I've posted bond and awaiting trial, do I have the First Amendment right to call the DA a son-of-a-bitch?

[jon-nyc]

He might go to jail, but not for violating the gag order. If he violates it, she’ll just keep moving up the trial date.

[Jolly]

Yep. May not be advisable, but I think it's within your rights.

[George K]

@Jolly said in The Gag Order:

Yep. May not be advisable, but I think it's within your rights.

Sort of my point. If the defendant can show judicial animus that might be grounds for appeal later on.

[Jolly]

Besides, Trump knows he's not going to get a fair trial in D(emocrat) C(entral). Might as well go to the Appeals Court and SCOTUS.

[jon-nyc]

By the way, this is what Trump said in Iowa:

"I am willing to go to jail if that's what it takes for our Country to win and become a democracy again."

Cool! We’re in agreement!

[Jolly]

Context. Everything is context.

[89th]

@jon-nyc said in The Gag Order:

By the way, this is what Trump said in Iowa:

"I am willing to go to jail if that's what it takes for our Country to win and become a democracy again."

Cool! We’re in agreement!

LOL the only time recently that the country almost stopped being a democracy is when a sitting president refused to accept the election results.

[Horace]

@89th said in The Gag Order:

@jon-nyc said in The Gag Order:

By the way, this is what Trump said in Iowa:

"I am willing to go to jail if that's what it takes for our Country to win and become a democracy again."

Cool! We’re in agreement!

LOL the only time recently that the country almost stopped being a democracy is when a sitting president refused to accept the election results.

We didn't really almost stop being a democracy.

[Jolly]

@Horace said in The Gag Order:

@89th said in The Gag Order:

@jon-nyc said in The Gag Order:

By the way, this is what Trump said in Iowa:

"I am willing to go to jail if that's what it takes for our Country to win and become a democracy again."

Cool! We’re in agreement!

LOL the only time recently that the country almost stopped being a democracy is when a sitting president refused to accept the election results.

We didn't really almost stop being a democracy.

Don't stand in the way of hyperbole.

[taiwan_girl]

@Jolly said in The Gag Order:

Trump said it's against his First Amendment rights while campaigning and he will go to jail if he must. But he's not going to be quiet.

Based on my vast legal knowledge that I got by listening to true crime podcasts (LOL), there are often cases where the judges issues a gag order and does no allow the various sides to speak about the case in public.

So, are gag orders really not legal?

[Renauda]

@taiwan_girl

Apparently not according to some Supreme TNCR Court Justices. Or at least not, if issued against Donny “The Mouth” Trumperino.

[Jolly]

Regardless of our prejudiced friends from the North, Trump is in the middle of the biggest political campaign we have. Maybe the Judge and prosecutor should have thought of this before they started down this judicial pathway.

Or, maybe they did...Which is why the charges were filed where they were and why the push is one for certain trial dates.

People, it's all politics. Pure, naked power politics. The Federal case, the New York case and the Atlanta case. Funny, i think the American people are starting to understand that...

[89th]

@Horace said in The Gag Order:

@89th said in The Gag Order:

@jon-nyc said in The Gag Order:

By the way, this is what Trump said in Iowa:

"I am willing to go to jail if that's what it takes for our Country to win and become a democracy again."

Cool! We’re in agreement!

LOL the only time recently that the country almost stopped being a democracy is when a sitting president refused to accept the election results.

We didn't really almost stop being a democracy.

I know they didn't get close, but it was ironic for Trump to be willing to go to jail to be a democracy again when he was literally trying to prevent a democratic election from finalizing.

[jon-nyc]

@Horace said in The Gag Order:

@89th said in The Gag Order:

@jon-nyc said in The Gag Order:

By the way, this is what Trump said in Iowa:

"I am willing to go to jail if that's what it takes for our Country to win and become a democracy again."

Cool! We’re in agreement!

LOL the only time recently that the country almost stopped being a democracy is when a sitting president refused to accept the election results.

We didn't really almost stop being a democracy.

Only because his plan failed.

[Renauda]

@Jolly

Sure wish I could believe your yarn.

Yours sincerely,

Prejudiced Northern Bastard

[Horace]

@jon-nyc said in The Gag Order:

@Horace said in The Gag Order:

@89th said in The Gag Order:

@jon-nyc said in The Gag Order:

By the way, this is what Trump said in Iowa:

"I am willing to go to jail if that's what it takes for our Country to win and become a democracy again."

Cool! We’re in agreement!

LOL the only time recently that the country almost stopped being a democracy is when a sitting president refused to accept the election results.

We didn't really almost stop being a democracy.

Only because his plan failed.

His implausible hopes.

[Doctor Phibes]

[George K]

https://reason.com/2023/10/17/the-latest-trump-gag-order-is-relatively-narrow-but-still-raises-constitutional-questions/

[jon-nyc]

It does. It's very unsettled law. This one might be too broad. We'll see.

Though one consideration is, historically, Judges are jealous of their own power and it's not common to see appellate judges issue sweeping rulings limiting judicial power.

AN appeals court could strike part of this down on pretty narrow grounds. I think the part about witness abuse will stand, as it should pass strict scrutiny.

Remember this man leads a cult with thousands of members that will willingly commit violent crimes on his behalf. That has to be taken into account.