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Until Hamas releases the hostages or unconditionally surrenders, whichever comes first, I am not at all concerned about collateral damage to civilians residing Gaza.
wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 15:53 last edited by@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Until Hamas releases the hostages or unconditionally surrenders, whichever comes first, I am not at all concerned about collateral damage to civilians residing Gaza.
I am. I think it's entirely possible there are non-Israeli innocent bystanders who are getting hurt and killed in all this. But I agree with LD — you still have one side that is—unbelievably—trying to conduct a war as decently as possible and on the other you have a group doing whatever they can to whomever they can find to do as much destruction as possible. Those two aren't even in the same plane of reality. Israel has a right to exist and what's the alternative? Find a peaceful solution, are you shitting me? Hamas doesn't live in a world in which peace exists.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 16:35 last edited by Renauda 10 Dec 2023, 16:55
Maybe Bibi needs to take a page from Putin’s playbook on pacifying ethnic minorities. Chechnya. Find a Ramzan Kadyrov type from among the Hamas network and put him in charge of Gaza. He’ll keep everyone in line and out of mischief. It won’t be pretty but he will keep Gazans from terrorizing Israelis. Hold a sword of Damocles over his miserable head to keep him in line.
The other day someone was looking for a parallel to this current war. The Chechen experience of the 1990’s and early years of the 2000s is your answer. Gaza city is looking a lot like Grozny did when Putin let the dogs out on Chechnya.
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Could just kill almost all of them and put the remaining few on reservations, then spend the next few hundred years pretending to care, when the progressive young women tell everybody about the atrocity of it all. There is no such thing as Native American terrorism as far as I know.
wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 16:56 last edited by@Horace said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Could just kill almost all of them and put the remaining few on reservations, then spend the next few hundred years pretending to care, when the progressive young women tell everybody about the atrocity of it all. There is no such thing as Native American terrorism as far as I know.
Wounded Knee.
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Maybe Bibi needs to take a page from Putin’s playbook on pacifying ethnic minorities. Chechnya. Find a Ramzan Kadyrov type from among the Hamas network and put him in charge of Gaza. He’ll keep everyone in line and out of mischief. It won’t be pretty but he will keep Gazans from terrorizing Israelis. Hold a sword of Damocles over his miserable head to keep him in line.
The other day someone was looking for a parallel to this current war. The Chechen experience of the 1990’s and early years of the 2000s is your answer. Gaza city is looking a lot like Grozny did when Putin let the dogs out on Chechnya.
wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 16:57 last edited by@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Maybe Bibi needs to take a page from Putin’s playbook on pacifying ethnic minorities.
Hamas isn't an ethnic minority.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 17:05 last edited by
Doesn’t matter, Hamas identifies with and purports to speak for all Palestinian Arabs. It’s a strange world there in which religion, ethnicity and national identity are often inextricably intertwined.
Besides, the Chechen parallel is close enough for government work.
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Maybe Bibi needs to take a page from Putin’s playbook on pacifying ethnic minorities. Chechnya. Find a Ramzan Kadyrov type from among the Hamas network and put him in charge of Gaza. He’ll keep everyone in line and out of mischief. It won’t be pretty but he will keep Gazans from terrorizing Israelis. Hold a sword of Damocles over his miserable head to keep him in line.
The other day someone was looking for a parallel to this current war. The Chechen experience of the 1990’s and early years of the 2000s is your answer. Gaza city is looking a lot like Grozny did when Putin let the dogs out on Chechnya.
wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 17:13 last edited by@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Maybe Bibi needs to take a page from Putin’s playbook on pacifying ethnic minorities. Chechnya. Find a Ramzan Kadyrov type from among the Hamas network and put him in charge of Gaza. He’ll keep everyone in line and out of mischief. It won’t be pretty but he will keep Gazans from terrorizing Israelis. Hold a sword of Damocles over his miserable head to keep him in line.
The other day someone was looking for a parallel to this current war. The Chechen experience of the 1990’s and early years of the 2000s is your answer. Gaza city is looking a lot like Grozny did when Putin let the dogs out on Chechnya.
Some pretty nasty stuff happened in that conflict.
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@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Maybe Bibi needs to take a page from Putin’s playbook on pacifying ethnic minorities. Chechnya. Find a Ramzan Kadyrov type from among the Hamas network and put him in charge of Gaza. He’ll keep everyone in line and out of mischief. It won’t be pretty but he will keep Gazans from terrorizing Israelis. Hold a sword of Damocles over his miserable head to keep him in line.
The other day someone was looking for a parallel to this current war. The Chechen experience of the 1990’s and early years of the 2000s is your answer. Gaza city is looking a lot like Grozny did when Putin let the dogs out on Chechnya.
Some pretty nasty stuff happened in that conflict.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 18:35 last edited by
The mindset is so foreign from anything I can understand. Their grievances outweigh the chance for their children to live a better life, or even to live at all. I acknowledge that mindset exists but will never understand it on a human level.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 18:37 last edited by
@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
Only a matter of scale. Nasty is war’s nickname.
Yep. It’s the nature of the beast. I sometimes wonder if we do ourselves any favors by trying to limit it.
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The mindset is so foreign from anything I can understand. Their grievances outweigh the chance for their children to live a better life, or even to live at all. I acknowledge that mindset exists but will never understand it on a human level.
wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 18:54 last edited by@Mik said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
The mindset is so foreign from anything I can understand. Their grievances outweigh the chance for their children to live a better life, or even to live at all. I acknowledge that mindset exists but will never understand it on a human level.
Low status petulant board flipping, similar to what some attribute, less convincingly, to Trump supporters.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 20:44 last edited by
@Jolly said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
BTW, the Biden Whitehouse walked back the statement about the dead baby pics.
Blinken confirms - he's seen the photos.
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The mindset is so foreign from anything I can understand. Their grievances outweigh the chance for their children to live a better life, or even to live at all. I acknowledge that mindset exists but will never understand it on a human level.
wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 21:39 last edited by LuFins Dad 10 Dec 2023, 21:39@Mik said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
The mindset is so foreign from anything I can understand. Their grievances outweigh the chance for their children to live a better life, or even to live at all. I acknowledge that mindset exists but will never understand it on a human level.
“ Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”
Golda Meir
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wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 22:10 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
How do the actions in Germany and the UK translate into her comment about a US War?
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wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 22:20 last edited by
I think it relates to the final comment and quoted tweet about Columbia
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@Mik said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
The mindset is so foreign from anything I can understand. Their grievances outweigh the chance for their children to live a better life, or even to live at all. I acknowledge that mindset exists but will never understand it on a human level.
“ Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”
Golda Meir
wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 22:28 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
@Mik said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
The mindset is so foreign from anything I can understand. Their grievances outweigh the chance for their children to live a better life, or even to live at all. I acknowledge that mindset exists but will never understand it on a human level.
“ Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”
Golda Meir
one might say the same about the systematically low status classes of America, where parenting is a persistent problem. Hopeless people don’t typically instill hope in their kids.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 22:29 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in More strange and/or foul reactions:
I think it relates to the final comment and quoted tweet about Columbia
Great, so 1/2 of her tweet is irrelevant. Beyond that she seems to be ignoring the 12 or so Americans killed by Hamas… Beyond that, how many of her tweets do you think can be found that are very pro-Ukraine (not an American war)? Now while I agree that pro-Palestine displays and support should be allowed, I suspect our reasoning is VERY different.
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wrote on 12 Oct 2023, 23:02 last edited by jon-nyc 10 Dec 2023, 23:09
Now imagine that Dean found a picture of a noose on a bulletin board. He would shut down the campus while they searched every cctv to find the culprits.
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wrote on 13 Oct 2023, 01:12 last edited by