More strange and/or foul reactions

[George K]

[LuFins Dad]

@Horace said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

It doesn't seem to be included on the menu of mainstream acceptable reactions to worry about both Israel and Gaza civilian collateral damage. Maybe that worry doesn't admit to an obvious path forward, but the obvious path forward isn't obviously helpful either, beyond revenge.

The problem is the way Hamas uses the civilians as shields, building and installing missile batteries in hospitals, schools, apartment buildings, etc… So does Israel blow up those installations knowing that innocent civilians may get injured or killed? Or do they allow those batteries to continue to fire on Israeli innocents?

Their roof knocking approach is (IMO) a remarkably reserved approach. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking And the most humanitarian way of dealing with it that I can think of.

There has been a lot of confusion over the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. A lot of misinformation on both sides and a lot of evil acts on both sides. But at the end of the day, you have one side that sends non explosive shells to warn civilians of what’s coming next, and in the other you have a side that is filming themselves raping dead teenage girls and posting it on Social Media. You have a side that purposefully cut infants throats.

No, there is a tumor on humanity that needs to be excised. It’s horrible that there is healthy tissue around that tumor that will need to be excised, and there is still a good chance that the tumor will return, but I don’t see a reasonable alternative, but will still gladly listen to suggestions.

[Renauda]

Until Hamas releases the hostages or unconditionally surrenders, whichever comes first, I am not at all concerned about collateral damage to civilians residing Gaza.

[Jolly]

@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

Until Hamas releases the hostages or unconditionally surrenders, whichever comes first, I am not at all concerned about collateral damage to civilians residing Gaza.

On this, I agree.

[Horace]

It doesn't need to be a humanitarian concern, only a practical one regarding a new generation of murderous revenge seeking terrorists.

[LuFins Dad]

I’ve heard the words “open air prison” applied to Gaza and the Palestinians. The same people saying this then talk about the IDF blowing up apartment buildings, hospitals, and schools. Aren’t both ideas contradictory to each other?

[Renauda]

@Horace said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

It doesn't need to be a humanitarian concern, only a practical one regarding a new generation of murderous revenge seeking terrorists.

Let’s reframe that. How about this:

…only a practical one regarding a new generation growing up accepting the hard fact that Israel has the right to exist and any terrorist actions against Israel will result in the Israeli military hurting us far more than we can hurt them.

[Horace]

Could just kill almost all of them and put the remaining few on reservations, then spend the next few hundred years pretending to care, when the progressive young women tell everybody about the atrocity of it all. There is no such thing as Native American terrorism as far as I know.

[George K]

@Jolly said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

BTW, the Biden Whitehouse walked back the statement about the dead baby pics.

Jerusalem Post confirms verified photos.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

Until Hamas releases the hostages or unconditionally surrenders, whichever comes first, I am not at all concerned about collateral damage to civilians residing Gaza.

I am. I think it's entirely possible there are non-Israeli innocent bystanders who are getting hurt and killed in all this. But I agree with LD — you still have one side that is—unbelievably—trying to conduct a war as decently as possible and on the other you have a group doing whatever they can to whomever they can find to do as much destruction as possible. Those two aren't even in the same plane of reality. Israel has a right to exist and what's the alternative? Find a peaceful solution, are you shitting me? Hamas doesn't live in a world in which peace exists.

[Renauda]

@Aqua-Letifer

Maybe Bibi needs to take a page from Putin’s playbook on pacifying ethnic minorities. Chechnya. Find a Ramzan Kadyrov type from among the Hamas network and put him in charge of Gaza. He’ll keep everyone in line and out of mischief. It won’t be pretty but he will keep Gazans from terrorizing Israelis. Hold a sword of Damocles over his miserable head to keep him in line.

The other day someone was looking for a parallel to this current war. The Chechen experience of the 1990’s and early years of the 2000s is your answer. Gaza city is looking a lot like Grozny did when Putin let the dogs out on Chechnya.

[Renauda]

@Horace said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

Could just kill almost all of them and put the remaining few on reservations, then spend the next few hundred years pretending to care, when the progressive young women tell everybody about the atrocity of it all. There is no such thing as Native American terrorism as far as I know.

Wounded Knee.

[Aqua Letifer]

@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

@Aqua-Letifer

Maybe Bibi needs to take a page from Putin’s playbook on pacifying ethnic minorities.

Hamas isn't an ethnic minority.

[Renauda]

Doesn’t matter, Hamas identifies with and purports to speak for all Palestinian Arabs. It’s a strange world there in which religion, ethnicity and national identity are often inextricably intertwined.

Besides, the Chechen parallel is close enough for government work.

[Jolly]

@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

@Aqua-Letifer

Maybe Bibi needs to take a page from Putin’s playbook on pacifying ethnic minorities. Chechnya. Find a Ramzan Kadyrov type from among the Hamas network and put him in charge of Gaza. He’ll keep everyone in line and out of mischief. It won’t be pretty but he will keep Gazans from terrorizing Israelis. Hold a sword of Damocles over his miserable head to keep him in line.

The other day someone was looking for a parallel to this current war. The Chechen experience of the 1990’s and early years of the 2000s is your answer. Gaza city is looking a lot like Grozny did when Putin let the dogs out on Chechnya.

Some pretty nasty stuff happened in that conflict.

[Renauda]

@Jolly

Only a matter of scale. Nasty is war’s nickname.

[Mik]

The mindset is so foreign from anything I can understand. Their grievances outweigh the chance for their children to live a better life, or even to live at all. I acknowledge that mindset exists but will never understand it on a human level.

[Mik]

@Renauda said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

@Jolly

Only a matter of scale. Nasty is war’s nickname.

Yep. It’s the nature of the beast. I sometimes wonder if we do ourselves any favors by trying to limit it.

[Horace]

@Mik said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

The mindset is so foreign from anything I can understand. Their grievances outweigh the chance for their children to live a better life, or even to live at all. I acknowledge that mindset exists but will never understand it on a human level.

Low status petulant board flipping, similar to what some attribute, less convincingly, to Trump supporters.

[George K]

@Jolly said in More strange and/or foul reactions:

BTW, the Biden Whitehouse walked back the statement about the dead baby pics.

Blinken confirms - he's seen the photos.

https://www.aol.com/news/blinken-says-graphic-photo-baby-183513221.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAGNSstbCX_sj8v_goKvEysHADT1xvhmjYCLgJ4CzQncGADz4kRa-gr4noCi5ctW1j6BR8-FJhq2bXm-UVrWuiZ9bXcXux21iqLhij5LYV4h5YjXgTb48wj8YzBq70z5XOpNpZ_mjUyXRGis9diXYWkVdTXgoLWstFZ8CWFESU7qY