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Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?

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  • AxtremusA Away
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    Axtremus
    wrote on last edited by Axtremus
    #116

    And survey says ...

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/08/poll-republicans-support-mccarthy-ouster-00120518

    • 60% of adults in the U.S. backing [McCarthy's] removal
    • 75% agreed with the sentiment that McCarthy wasn’t effective
    • 54% of Americans who identified as conservative expressed approval for ousting McCarthy,
    • 70% of Americans who called themselves liberals backed the move

    Survey results: https://www.scribd.com/document/676024276/cbsnews-20231008-1-1#fullscreen=1

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    • CopperC Offline
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      Copper
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      #117

      Trump as speaker?

      I love it. Where do I sign-up?

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      • taiwan_girlT Offline
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        #118

        House Republicans left their meeting Monday night still unclear on how quickly the chamber could elect a new speaker. Reps. Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise are vying for the position, but some members said they were holding out hope for former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy to be reinstated to his old job after his historic ouster last week.

        https://www.cbsnews.com/video/house-speaker-race-no-front-runner-israel-ukraine-aid/

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #119

          I think McCarthy returning is not out of the question. If neither Scalise nor Jordan can get 218, you could see him coming back. Potentially with a deal with a few dems.

          I wouldn’t call it likely, just not out of the question.

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            I think McCarthy returning is not out of the question. If neither Scalise nor Jordan can get 218, you could see him coming back. Potentially with a deal with a few dems.

            I wouldn’t call it likely, just not out of the question.

            AxtremusA Away
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            Axtremus
            wrote on last edited by
            #120

            @jon-nyc said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

            Potentially with a deal with a few dems.

            Could have saved himself and the country a lot of trouble had he cut a deal a few Democrats the first time around.

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            • MikM Mik

              WSJ not fond of Gaetz.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gaetz-co-a-tale-as-old-as-time/ar-AA1hLasR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2770893fa8934d32bbb290543b472cf4&ei=12

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              @Mik said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

              WSJ not fond of Gaetz.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gaetz-co-a-tale-as-old-as-time/ar-AA1hLasR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2770893fa8934d32bbb290543b472cf4&ei=12

              They are not the only one. Even a lot of his colleagues of his party agree.

              “Matt Gaetz is frankly a vile person,” Representative Mike Lawler told CNN’s Manu Raju late Monday. “He’s not somebody who’s willing to work as a team. He stands up there, he grandstands, he lies directly to folks.”

              Representative Derrick Van Orden told Raju that he won’t support either of the new candidates for speaker “until we deal with the fact that we have people in our conference who could shut this House down on a whim again.”

              Representative Don Bacon accused the eight anti-McCarthy voters of having “kicked us in the shins really bad.”
              “They don’t support our party, and it’s all about media clicks,” he told CNN.

              Representative Tom Cole, who chairs the House Rules Committee, suggested raising the threshold for the motion to vacate. “I think it’s time to take the sharp knives away from the children,” he told Axios.

              https://newrepublic.com/post/176102/house-republicans-plan-deal-with-matt-gaetz

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              • jon-nycJ Online
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                jon-nyc
                wrote on last edited by
                #122

                “I think it’s time to take the sharp knives away from the children,”

                Hear, hear.

                Only non-witches get due process.

                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                • George KG Offline
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                  #123

                  Sealise wins nomination 113-99.

                  Now let's see if he can win the speakership.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    Sealise wins nomination 113-99.

                    Now let's see if he can win the speakership.

                    AxtremusA Away
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                    Axtremus
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #124

                    @George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

                    Now let's see if he can win the speakership.

                    Let's see what kind of deal he's willing to cut with the Democrats.

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                    • George KG George K

                      Sealise wins nomination 113-99.

                      Now let's see if he can win the speakership.

                      jon-nycJ Online
                      jon-nycJ Online
                      jon-nyc
                      wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                      #125

                      @George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

                      Sealise wins nomination 113-99.

                      Now let's see if he can win the speakership.

                      Yet another Trump pick goes on to lose.

                      Only non-witches get due process.

                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                      • George KG Offline
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                        #126

                        Gaetz says he supports Scalise.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          #127

                          Jordan throws his support to Scalise as well.

                          Meanwhile the House recessed, presumably to allow vote-gathering to occur.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            Jordan throws his support to Scalise as well.

                            Meanwhile the House recessed, presumably to allow vote-gathering to occur.

                            JollyJ Offline
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                            @George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

                            Jordan throws his support to Scalise as well.

                            Meanwhile the House recessed, presumably to allow vote-gathering to occur.

                            Scalise is more of a deal maker than Jordan. But if you think Scalise is as moderate as McCarthy...Well y'all are gonna be surprised...

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • jon-nycJ Online
                              jon-nycJ Online
                              jon-nyc
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                              #129

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • George KG Offline
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                                #130

                                Good for him.

                                I found it amazing that Gaetz supported Scalise.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #131

                                  https://www.npr.org/2023/10/12/1205627746/scalise-drops-out-of-race-for-speaker-of-the-house-leaving-congress-in-limbo

                                  Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., has dropped out of the race to become the new House speaker, after failing to secure enough support for his bid to succeed on the floor.

                                  "I was very clear we have to have everybody put their agendas on the side and focus on what this country needs," Scalise told reporters in the Capitol. "This country is counting on us to come back together. This House of Representatives needs a speaker, and we need to open up the House again."

                                  Scalise informed House Republicans of his plans during a closed-door meeting in the basement of the Capitol.

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                                  • AxtremusA Away
                                    AxtremusA Away
                                    Axtremus
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                                    #132

                                    Blame the (conservative) media!

                                    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/10/12/matt-gaetz-conservative-media-00121095

                                    Article blames the GOP's dysfunction on "conservative media" (AM talk radio, FoxNews, etc.).

                                    An excerpt:

                                    But the truth is that angry conservative media hosts have only themselves to blame for McCarthy’s downfall and the disarray currently facing House Republicans.
                                    .
                                    The leaders of conservative talk radio and cable news have spent years assailing GOP congressional leaders — including McCarthy — and they are largely responsible for turning far-right rebels like Gaetz into stars. Going back to the 1990s, conservative media created the political ecosystem in which torching and targeting Republican leaders is good politics on the right. And they’ve ensured that the next speaker, whether it’s Steve Scalise or someone else, will face the same poisonous incentive structure that took down McCarthy.

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                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #133

                                      https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2023/10/13/republicans-pick-jim-jordan-as-nominee-for-house-speaker/

                                      Republicans chose Rep. Jim Jordan as their new nominee for House speaker on Friday during internal voting, putting the gavel within reach of the staunch ally of GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump.

                                      Jordan, of Ohio, will now try to unite colleagues from the deeply divided House GOP majority around his bid ahead of a floor vote, which could push to next week.

                                      Frustrated House Republicans have been fighting bitterly over whom they should elect to replace the speaker they ousted, Rep. Kevin McCarthy, and the future direction of their party. The stalemate, now in its second week, has thrown the House into chaos, grinding all other business to a halt.

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                                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                        https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2023/10/13/republicans-pick-jim-jordan-as-nominee-for-house-speaker/

                                        Republicans chose Rep. Jim Jordan as their new nominee for House speaker on Friday during internal voting, putting the gavel within reach of the staunch ally of GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump.

                                        Jordan, of Ohio, will now try to unite colleagues from the deeply divided House GOP majority around his bid ahead of a floor vote, which could push to next week.

                                        Frustrated House Republicans have been fighting bitterly over whom they should elect to replace the speaker they ousted, Rep. Kevin McCarthy, and the future direction of their party. The stalemate, now in its second week, has thrown the House into chaos, grinding all other business to a halt.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        #134

                                        @taiwan_girl said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:

                                        The stalemate, now in its second week, has thrown the House into chaos, grinding all other business to a halt.

                                        It’s a national embarrassment.

                                        Once this is resolved, I would expect the House to implement a mechanism whereby this is prevented.

                                        Perhaps giving the Speaker Pro Tem authorities that the Speaker has for a limited time.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          #135

                                          https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-adjourns-disarray-support-jordan-looks-weaker-than-expected

                                          Jordan won 124 votes against his rival in the race, Rep. Austin Scott, R-Ga., who won 81.

                                          After the first ballot, Jordan called for a second round in which lawmakers were asked whether they will support Jordan on the House floor.

                                          He managed to win 152 votes on that round, but 55 Republicans still said they would vote against him. A GOP candidate for speaker would need to reach 217 votes to win a House-wide vote with no Democratic support.

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