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It ain't just what you're making...

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  • AxtremusA Axtremus

    From your opening post:

    So, at one point does it make sense for a young person to move across the country?

    Your own words: “young person”

    JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #23

    @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

    From your opening post:

    So, at one point does it make sense for a young person to move across the country?

    Your own words: “young person”

    Lad, you dumb shit. There is a line where you cross from being a pedantic twit to being an obnoxious ass. I can assure you, you didn't get your butt stomped enough as a young man. Or you've watched so much porn, it has rewired your brain.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      Axtremus
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      #24

      Other factors besides salaries/wages that might influence where a young person move to:

      • sheer number of jobs: <450k jobs in Baton Rouge, >1.5 million jobs in San Diego (salaries/wages don’t matter if there is no job)
      • safety/violent crime rates: normalized by population size, Baton Rouge’s violent crime rate is nearly three times that of San Diego’s (just in case you don’t think young people don’t look at crime rates, their parents/elders will talk them out of moving to high crime areas)

      Most likely there are good reasons for young people to prefer Baton Rouge to San Diego. Maybe you just haven’t been selling it right?

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      • AxtremusA Axtremus

        Other factors besides salaries/wages that might influence where a young person move to:

        • sheer number of jobs: <450k jobs in Baton Rouge, >1.5 million jobs in San Diego (salaries/wages don’t matter if there is no job)
        • safety/violent crime rates: normalized by population size, Baton Rouge’s violent crime rate is nearly three times that of San Diego’s (just in case you don’t think young people don’t look at crime rates, their parents/elders will talk them out of moving to high crime areas)

        Most likely there are good reasons for young people to prefer Baton Rouge to San Diego. Maybe you just haven’t been selling it right?

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        @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

        Other factors besides salaries/wages that might influence where a young person move to:

        • sheer number of jobs: <450k jobs in Baton Rouge, >1.5 million jobs in San Diego (salaries/wages don’t matter if there is no job)

        And there are roughly 800,000 people living in the Baton Rouge metropolitan area vs 3,900,000 in San Diego Metro. The number of jobs per resident is in weighted towards Baton Rouge.

        The Brad

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

          From your opening post:

          So, at one point does it make sense for a young person to move across the country?

          Your own words: “young person”

          Lad, you dumb shit. There is a line where you cross from being a pedantic twit to being an obnoxious ass. I can assure you, you didn't get your butt stomped enough as a young man. Or you've watched so much porn, it has rewired your brain.

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          Aqua Letifer
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          #26

          @Jolly said in It ain't just what you're making...:

          @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

          From your opening post:

          So, at one point does it make sense for a young person to move across the country?

          Your own words: “young person”

          Lad, you dumb shit. There is a line where you cross from being a pedantic twit to being an obnoxious ass. I can assure you, you didn't get your butt stomped enough as a young man. Or you've watched so much porn, it has rewired your brain.

          Why talk to him? He has no social skills.

          Please love yourself.

          JollyJ 1 Reply Last reply
          • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

            @Jolly said in It ain't just what you're making...:

            @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

            From your opening post:

            So, at one point does it make sense for a young person to move across the country?

            Your own words: “young person”

            Lad, you dumb shit. There is a line where you cross from being a pedantic twit to being an obnoxious ass. I can assure you, you didn't get your butt stomped enough as a young man. Or you've watched so much porn, it has rewired your brain.

            Why talk to him? He has no social skills.

            JollyJ Offline
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            @Aqua-Letifer said in It ain't just what you're making...:

            @Jolly said in It ain't just what you're making...:

            @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

            From your opening post:

            So, at one point does it make sense for a young person to move across the country?

            Your own words: “young person”

            Lad, you dumb shit. There is a line where you cross from being a pedantic twit to being an obnoxious ass. I can assure you, you didn't get your butt stomped enough as a young man. Or you've watched so much porn, it has rewired your brain.

            Why talk to him? He has no social skills.

            Surely, there must be something there. I suspect much of this is an act, while he tries to stifle his chuckles at the rubes. Surely. Could you imagine this behavior in most any local bar, where average guys drop in to have a beer or two and argue about sports, women or bitch about their job?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @Aqua-Letifer said in It ain't just what you're making...:

              @Jolly said in It ain't just what you're making...:

              @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

              From your opening post:

              So, at one point does it make sense for a young person to move across the country?

              Your own words: “young person”

              Lad, you dumb shit. There is a line where you cross from being a pedantic twit to being an obnoxious ass. I can assure you, you didn't get your butt stomped enough as a young man. Or you've watched so much porn, it has rewired your brain.

              Why talk to him? He has no social skills.

              Surely, there must be something there. I suspect much of this is an act, while he tries to stifle his chuckles at the rubes. Surely. Could you imagine this behavior in most any local bar, where average guys drop in to have a beer or two and argue about sports, women or bitch about their job?

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              Aqua Letifer
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              #28

              @Jolly said in It ain't just what you're making...:

              @Aqua-Letifer said in It ain't just what you're making...:

              @Jolly said in It ain't just what you're making...:

              @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

              From your opening post:

              So, at one point does it make sense for a young person to move across the country?

              Your own words: “young person”

              Lad, you dumb shit. There is a line where you cross from being a pedantic twit to being an obnoxious ass. I can assure you, you didn't get your butt stomped enough as a young man. Or you've watched so much porn, it has rewired your brain.

              Why talk to him? He has no social skills.

              Surely, there must be something there. I suspect much of this is an act, while he tries to stifle his chuckles at the rubes. Surely. Could you imagine this behavior in most any local bar, where average guys drop in to have a beer or two and argue about sports, women or bitch about their job?

              It would be a very bad idea to keep the act up in that environment.

              And yeah, it's all dunking. Which, sure, people are people, we've been doing that to and with each other for decades now. But when it's all you do? Really?

              I don't see the point in taking a conversation in good faith when the other person does anything but.

              Please love yourself.

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
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                At this point, I bow to superior wisdom.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Recent grad: I can make $50/hr in San Diego

                  Old fart: Yeah, but average rent for a 1BR apartment in San Diego is about $1400/month more than Baton Rouge. You can make $32/hr in Baton Rouge, and utilities and gas are cheaper.

                  Recent grad: Besides, California girls are hawt!

                  Old fart: Lad, have you looked at some of the girls down here?

                  So, at one point does it make sense for a young person to move across the country?

                  taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  taiwan_girl
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #30

                  @Jolly said in It ain't just what you're making...:

                  So, at one point does it make sense for a young person to move across the country?

                  Agree. Sometimes recent graduates just look at salary, without looking at all the other things such as how far their money will go.

                  A lot of government agencies, like MOFA, if you are posted internationally, will give you a increase if you are going to higher priced city.

                  I think it was Facebook(?) when working remote was a things, talked about scaling salary based on where you worked. If you were paying someone USD$200K to work at HQ in Silcon Valley, and then they were working remote in Dickinson ND, do they really need USD$200K?

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                  • AxtremusA Offline
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                    Axtremus
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                    #31

                    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/10/this-is-the-no-1-city-where-young-people-want-to-work-most.html

                    Here are the top 15 cities where today's college grads are applying for jobs most:
                    New York
                    Chicago
                    Dallas
                    Los Angeles
                    Atlanta
                    Boston
                    San Francisco
                    Austin, Texas
                    Washington D.C.
                    Houston
                    Seattle
                    Denver
                    Philadelphia
                    San Diego
                    Miami

                    NYC gets twice as many job applications from new college grads than the second place Chicago.

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                    • AxtremusA Axtremus

                      https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/10/this-is-the-no-1-city-where-young-people-want-to-work-most.html

                      Here are the top 15 cities where today's college grads are applying for jobs most:
                      New York
                      Chicago
                      Dallas
                      Los Angeles
                      Atlanta
                      Boston
                      San Francisco
                      Austin, Texas
                      Washington D.C.
                      Houston
                      Seattle
                      Denver
                      Philadelphia
                      San Diego
                      Miami

                      NYC gets twice as many job applications from new college grads than the second place Chicago.

                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
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                      #32

                      @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

                      https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/10/this-is-the-no-1-city-where-young-people-want-to-work-most.html

                      Here are the top 15 cities where today's college grads are applying for jobs most:
                      New York
                      Chicago
                      Dallas
                      Los Angeles
                      Atlanta
                      Boston
                      San Francisco
                      Austin, Texas
                      Washington D.C.
                      Houston
                      Seattle
                      Denver
                      Philadelphia
                      San Diego
                      Miami

                      NYC gets twice as many job applications from new college grads than the second place Chicago.

                      Shocking! And totally surprising! I never would have thought that New York (with twice the population of Chicago) would get twice as many job applications. That is completely unpredictable and goes against any kind of common sense that I would have thought of…

                      The Brad

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                        Horace
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                        Ax you should compile these sorts of counter intuitive statistics into a freakonomics style book.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                          @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

                          https://www.cnbc.com/2023/10/10/this-is-the-no-1-city-where-young-people-want-to-work-most.html

                          Here are the top 15 cities where today's college grads are applying for jobs most:
                          New York
                          Chicago
                          Dallas
                          Los Angeles
                          Atlanta
                          Boston
                          San Francisco
                          Austin, Texas
                          Washington D.C.
                          Houston
                          Seattle
                          Denver
                          Philadelphia
                          San Diego
                          Miami

                          NYC gets twice as many job applications from new college grads than the second place Chicago.

                          Shocking! And totally surprising! I never would have thought that New York (with twice the population of Chicago) would get twice as many job applications. That is completely unpredictable and goes against any kind of common sense that I would have thought of…

                          AxtremusA Offline
                          AxtremusA Offline
                          Axtremus
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                          #34

                          @LuFins-Dad

                          Los Angeles’ population is 145% that of Chicago’s, yet Los Angeles gets fewer job applications from new college graduates than Chicago does. Population size and number of job applications from new college graduates are not linearly correlated.

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                          • AxtremusA Axtremus

                            @LuFins-Dad

                            Los Angeles’ population is 145% that of Chicago’s, yet Los Angeles gets fewer job applications from new college graduates than Chicago does. Population size and number of job applications from new college graduates are not linearly correlated.

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                            @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

                            @LuFins-Dad

                            Los Angeles’ population is 145% that of Chicago’s, yet Los Angeles gets fewer job applications from new college graduates than Chicago does. Population size and number of job applications from new college graduates are not linearly correlated.

                            Excellent. The book is taking shape.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • HoraceH Horace

                              @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

                              @LuFins-Dad

                              Los Angeles’ population is 145% that of Chicago’s, yet Los Angeles gets fewer job applications from new college graduates than Chicago does. Population size and number of job applications from new college graduates are not linearly correlated.

                              Excellent. The book is taking shape.

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                              Aqua Letifer
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                              #36

                              @Horace said in It ain't just what you're making...:

                              @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

                              @LuFins-Dad

                              Los Angeles’ population is 145% that of Chicago’s, yet Los Angeles gets fewer job applications from new college graduates than Chicago does. Population size and number of job applications from new college graduates are not linearly correlated.

                              Excellent. The book is taking shape.

                              It'll be a best-seller because Ax is a serious and objective thinker and everyone's going to be beyond impressed by that.

                              Please love yourself.

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                                >
                                25 U.S. Cities with the Most College Students
                                
                                City	Number of Colleges	Total Enrollment	City Population
                                New York, NY	82	290,216	19,354,922
                                Chicago, IL	73	219,981	8,675,982
                                Slt Lk City,UT	18	200,797	1,098,400
                                Los Angeles, CA	54	183,219	12,815,475
                                Houston, TX	64	175,189	5,446,468
                                Tempe, AZ	14	171,860	185,038
                                San Diego, CA	35	160,576	3,210,314
                                Minneapolis, MN	14	153,597	2,926,757
                                Boston, MA	30	150,338	4,637,537
                                Phoenix, AZ	34	149,726	4,081,849
                                Phila, PA	37	149,664	5,637,884
                                Atlanta, GA	37	133,648	5,228,750
                                Indian, IN	29	131,644	1,564,699
                                Miami, FL	44	131,272	6,381,966
                                Orlando, FL	16	130,254	1,776,841
                                San Antonio, TX	46	124,702	2,002,530
                                Manchester, NH	8	110,024	160,742
                                Austin, TX	27	105,525	1,638,716
                                Sacramento, CA	23	105,249	1,854,698
                                Columbus, OH	24	104,783	1,528,314
                                Baltimore, MD	24	100,393	2,170,504
                                Saint Louis, MO	23	99,607	2,078,283
                                Washington, DC	24	98,399	5,289,420
                                Denver, CO	26	92,189	2,787,266
                                San Fran, CA	21	90,493	3,603,761
                                
                                
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                                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                  @LuFins-Dad

                                  Los Angeles’ population is 145% that of Chicago’s, yet Los Angeles gets fewer job applications from new college graduates than Chicago does. Population size and number of job applications from new college graduates are not linearly correlated.

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  @Axtremus said in It ain't just what you're making...:

                                  @LuFins-Dad

                                  Los Angeles’ population is 145% that of Chicago’s, yet Los Angeles gets fewer job applications from new college graduates than Chicago does. Population size and number of job applications from new college graduates are not linearly correlated.

                                  Again! Brilliance in the simplicity! Hoisted on my own petard, so to speak. Calling out my univariate argument by utilizing a univariate fallacy! You are absolutely correct. My argument did not take into account areas that are shedding businesses, jobs, and population. Of course, we’ll ignore the fact that total job applications ≠ recent college grad applications…

                                  Still, I’m surprised there aren’t more recent grads applying for jobs in LA. You can get abortions there, after all. Cheap ones…Yet Austin getting a ton of applicants but you can’t get an abortion there. That’s very weird.

                                  The Brad

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