Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?
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@George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
Why are the Democrats so hell-bent on stopping the business of governing the country?
It's the House Democrats who provided the necessary votes that averted a federal government shutdown. The Senate Democrats and the Democratic White House are also doing their part in continuing to govern.
Only 8-10 would have prevented this. But they voted party over nation, again.
Only 8-10 votes from the House Republicans could have joined the House Democrats to elect a Speaker not beholden to the tantrums of the likes of Gaetz. That could have, and still can, lead to a more functional House of Representatives. That would be good service to the nation.
@Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
It's the House Democrats who provided the necessary votes that averted a federal government shutdown. The Senate Democrats and the Democratic White House are also doing their part in continuing to govern.
And yet, to a man, they voted to remove McCarthy. How does this mean that they want to govern? A bipartisan approach would have kept him in office. At least 8 brave GOP representatives broke with the ranks of their party and allied with the Democrats to forward their vision. That's bipartisanship.
Only 8-10 votes from the House
RepublicansDemocrats could have joined the HouseDemocratsRepublicans to elect a Speaker not beholden to the tantrums of the likes of Gaetz. That could have, and still can, lead to a more functional House of Representatives. That would be good service to the nation.FIFY
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@Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
It's the House Democrats who provided the necessary votes that averted a federal government shutdown. The Senate Democrats and the Democratic White House are also doing their part in continuing to govern.
And yet, to a man, they voted to remove McCarthy. How does this mean that they want to govern? A bipartisan approach would have kept him in office. At least 8 brave GOP representatives broke with the ranks of their party and allied with the Democrats to forward their vision. That's bipartisanship.
Only 8-10 votes from the House
RepublicansDemocrats could have joined the HouseDemocratsRepublicans to elect a Speaker not beholden to the tantrums of the likes of Gaetz. That could have, and still can, lead to a more functional House of Representatives. That would be good service to the nation.FIFY
@George-K said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
@Axtremus said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
It's the House Democrats who provided the necessary votes that averted a federal government shutdown. The Senate Democrats and the Democratic White House are also doing their part in continuing to govern.
And yet, to a man, they voted to remove McCarthy. How does this mean that they want to govern? A bipartisan approach would have kept him in office. At least 8 brave GOP representatives broke with the ranks of their party and allied with the Democrats to forward their vision. That's bipartisanship.
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McCarthy could have cut a deal with the House Democrats when he first ran for Speaker; that could have been bipartisan. McCarthy didn't, instead he gave in to the demands of Gaetz et al., thus sewn the seed of his own destruction. BAD.
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McCarthy cut a deal with the Democrats to raise the debt ceiling; that's bipartisan, that saved the federal government from default. GOOD!
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McCarthy put up a funding bill sufficiently palatable for the House Democrats to support; that's bipartisanship, that averted a government shutdown. GOOD!
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McCarthy could have cut a deal with the House Democrats to save his Speakership. McCarthy chose not to, that's not bipartisanship. The result is a House without a Speaker. BAD.
Maybe you expect the Democrats to simply support McCarthy without getting anything in return. But that would be all "give" and no "take" on one side. All give and no take on one side is not bipartisanship.
Only 8-10 votes from the House
RepublicansDemocrats could have joined the HouseDemocratsRepublicans to elect a Speaker not beholden to the tantrums of the likes of Gaetz. That could have, and still can, lead to a more functional House of Representatives. That would be good service to the nation.FIFY
Indeed your version may work too, see points #1 and #4 and the paragraph right below point #4 above.
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The eight Republicans that voted to vacate. Most of them make a pretty good case.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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The eight Republicans that voted to vacate. Most of them make a pretty good case.
@Mik said in Will McCarthy be Vacated from Speakership? Who Will Succeed McCarthy?:
The eight Republicans that voted to vacate. Most of them make a pretty good case.
Are the other 210 House Republicans wrong to not join these eight Republicans? Or do the other 210 House Republicans have good cases too?
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Now here comes blame the Democrats and hang bipartisanship. Why would they want to prevent the GOP from shooting itself in the foot going into an election cycle? The frog and the scorpion.
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WSJ not fond of Gaetz.
“I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill
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And survey says ...
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/08/poll-republicans-support-mccarthy-ouster-00120518
- 60% of adults in the U.S. backing [McCarthy's] removal
- 75% agreed with the sentiment that McCarthy wasn’t effective
- 54% of Americans who identified as conservative expressed approval for ousting McCarthy,
- 70% of Americans who called themselves liberals backed the move
Survey results: https://www.scribd.com/document/676024276/cbsnews-20231008-1-1#fullscreen=1
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House Republicans left their meeting Monday night still unclear on how quickly the chamber could elect a new speaker. Reps. Jim Jordan and Steve Scalise are vying for the position, but some members said they were holding out hope for former House Speaker Kevin McCarthy to be reinstated to his old job after his historic ouster last week.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/house-speaker-race-no-front-runner-israel-ukraine-aid/
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I think McCarthy returning is not out of the question. If neither Scalise nor Jordan can get 218, you could see him coming back. Potentially with a deal with a few dems.
I wouldn’t call it likely, just not out of the question.
