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Trouble in Paradise

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  • MikM Offline
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    That whole part of the west is getting infested. Even back in 92 Bozeman was a boutique town.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      But you have a huge problem when it's so expensive to live in a town, that the people who work in the town live 40 miles away because of the price of housing.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        The lady made a good point at the end that if the wealth inequality continues, you won't have people to work at the bars and restaurants that the wealthy want to visit.

        That being said, this reminds me a bit of the Walmart effect. In America, businesses (and people) can move and there are local folks that'll be negatively impacted. Hard to control for that (or solve it, like you said @Jolly ). Remote work will only make this more of a thing... where someone can potentially make a San Francisco income but living in a small town.

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          But you have a huge problem when it's so expensive to live in a town, that the people who work in the town live 40 miles away because of the price of housing.

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          @Jolly said in Trouble in Paradise:

          But you have a huge problem when it's so expensive to live in a town, that the people who work in the town live 40 miles away because of the price of housing.

          Somewhat in jest, but that commute would be a dream for many people who work in Northern Virginia.

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          • 89th8 89th

            @Jolly said in Trouble in Paradise:

            But you have a huge problem when it's so expensive to live in a town, that the people who work in the town live 40 miles away because of the price of housing.

            Somewhat in jest, but that commute would be a dream for many people who work in Northern Virginia.

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            @89th said in Trouble in Paradise:

            @Jolly said in Trouble in Paradise:

            But you have a huge problem when it's so expensive to live in a town, that the people who work in the town live 40 miles away because of the price of housing.

            Somewhat in jest, but that commute would be a dream for many people who work in Northern Virginia.

            Northern Virginia doesn't have Wyoming winters.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • 89th8 89th

              The lady made a good point at the end that if the wealth inequality continues, you won't have people to work at the bars and restaurants that the wealthy want to visit.

              That being said, this reminds me a bit of the Walmart effect. In America, businesses (and people) can move and there are local folks that'll be negatively impacted. Hard to control for that (or solve it, like you said @Jolly ). Remote work will only make this more of a thing... where someone can potentially make a San Francisco income but living in a small town.

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              @89th said in Trouble in Paradise:

              The lady made a good point at the end that if the wealth inequality continues, you won't have people to work at the bars and restaurants that the wealthy want to visit.

              That being said, this reminds me a bit of the Walmart effect. In America, businesses (and people) can move and there are local folks that'll be negatively impacted. Hard to control for that (or solve it, like you said @Jolly ). Remote work will only make this more of a thing... where someone can potentially make a San Francisco income but living in a small town.

              I think that may change. Some of a paycheck factors in cost of living in an area. If a guy is working from Mobile, why should I pay him San Francusco wages?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                True, I think @Horace dealt with that a bit, too. And very true regarding the winter driving conditions.

                And in an answer that will absolutely trigger @Aqua-Letifer , unfortunately the solution is often someone being forced to move to where they can afford to live, if their current area is getting too expensive. Free market, and all that...

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                • 89th8 89th

                  True, I think @Horace dealt with that a bit, too. And very true regarding the winter driving conditions.

                  And in an answer that will absolutely trigger @Aqua-Letifer , unfortunately the solution is often someone being forced to move to where they can afford to live, if their current area is getting too expensive. Free market, and all that...

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                  @89th said in Trouble in Paradise:

                  True, I think @Horace dealt with that a bit, too. And very true regarding the winter driving conditions.

                  And in an answer that will absolutely trigger @Aqua-Letifer , unfortunately the solution is often someone being forced to move to where they can afford to live, if their current area is getting too expensive. Free market, and all that...

                  It's only triggering because it's a "let 'em eat cake" solution.

                  Please love yourself.

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                    After we moved out of Mass. my commute went from 10 to 40 miles. Doesn't sound like such a big deal, but it does noticeably impact my life. I need to leave at 5:30 in the morning if I don't want to spend half my life in traffic. It's a good job I'm so cheerful in the mornings.

                    I was only joking

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                    • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                      After we moved out of Mass. my commute went from 10 to 40 miles. Doesn't sound like such a big deal, but it does noticeably impact my life. I need to leave at 5:30 in the morning if I don't want to spend half my life in traffic. It's a good job I'm so cheerful in the mornings.

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                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Trouble in Paradise:

                      After we moved out of Mass. my commute went from 10 to 40 miles. Doesn't sound like such a big deal, but it does noticeably impact my life. I need to leave at 5:30 in the morning if I don't want to spend half my life in traffic. It's a good job I'm so cheerful in the mornings.

                      For several years, I had a 35 minute commute, without much traffic. Mornings, I didn't mind. Afternoons in the winter time sucked.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        The cycle will be that when no one wants to work there anymore there will be momentum to build affordable housing. Then the NIMBYs will come out.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          These rich folk are apparently pretty philanthropic. How about a charity that helps build housing?

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            They could even call it The Quarters (as in, the Slave Quarters).

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              But you have a huge problem when it's so expensive to live in a town, that the people who work in the town live 40 miles away because of the price of housing.

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                              @Jolly said in Trouble in Paradise:

                              But you have a huge problem when it's so expensive to live in a town, that the people who work in the town live 40 miles away because of the price of housing.

                              Seems like a natural equilibrium will be found. If there aren't workers, salaries will rise until there are.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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