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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #1

    F'ing Injuns...

    https://apnews.com/article/india-sanskrit-name-bharat-modi-g20-72782ba81aa67dcf7e197a98fec9b5f5

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government has replaced the name India with a Sanskrit word in dinner invitations sent to guests attending this week’s Group of 20 summit, in a move that reflects his Hindu nationalist party’s efforts to eliminate what it sees as colonial-era names.

    Indian President Droupadi Murmu is referred to as “President of Bharat” instead of “President of India” in the invitation sent to G20 attendees. The nation of more than 1.4 billion people is officially known by two names, India and Bharat, but the former is most commonly used, both domestically and internationally.

    Bharat is an ancient Sanskrit word which many historians believe dates back to early Hindu texts. The word also means India in Hindi.

    The change in nomenclature is backed by officials of Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party. They argue that the name India was introduced by British colonials and is a “symbol of slavery.” The British ruled India for about 200 years until the country gained independence in 1947.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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      taiwan_girl
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      #2

      Fork in the topic thread.

      A good book about the partition is "It happened at Midnight"

      (EDIT - I was looking for the book cover to add to this post, and now I cannot find the book. So, maybe I have mis-remembered the title. LOL)

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      • MikM Away
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        Mik
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        #3

        Meh. Peking, Bejing. No big deal.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #4

          Burma....

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            xenon
            wrote on last edited by xenon
            #5

            This one’s interesting. The city name changes (Bombay -> Mumbai, Calcutta -> Kolcutta) seemed academic to me. My family still refers to them with the old names.

            This one is a substantive difference. “Bharat” is still a very commonly used term and it does have a different connotation from
            India.

            India has always felt like an artificial name for a country that never really existed before the British.

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by Mik
              #6

              Many Indians I have known would tell you in private conversation how much they detested the British, and with good reason.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                Many Indians I have known would tell you in private conversation how much they detested the British, and with good reason.

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                Doctor Phibes
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                @Mik said in "Bharat":

                Many Indians I have known would tell you in private conversation how much they detested the British,

                Many Americans I have known have said much the same thing to me.

                I was only joking

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                • MikM Away
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #8

                  Really? I just think of you as our pompous cousins.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    xenon
                    wrote on last edited by xenon
                    #9

                    Similar to the TDS thread though - now that Modi has suggested this, it’ll be a toxic topic for the other side.

                    Even the way the AP wrote the article betrays an anti-Modi bias. (And I say this as no fan of Modi)

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                    • MikM Away
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                      Mik
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                      Yeah, why should India Bharat be immune to the political nonsense we see here.

                      "No matter what you do, we OPPOSE it!". Stupid.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • 89th8 Offline
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                        89th
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                        Wow how ignorant I am of some basic history. I didn't realize India and Pakistan used to be the same "country" (or that Bangladesh was East Pakistan before it broke off).

                        Also, I'm surprised the name America hasn't been cancelled yet. He (Vespucci) was one of those evil explorers who helped with the slave trade, you know.

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                        • CopperC Offline
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                          Copper
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                          #12

                          Country, McCountryface would make more sense.

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                          • AxtremusA Offline
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                            Axtremus
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                            #13

                            It’s Constitutional.

                            India constitution (English version): https://cdnbbsr.s3waas.gov.in/s380537a945c7aaa788ccfcdf1b99b5d8f/uploads/2023/05/2023050195.pdf

                            PART 1, Article 1, (1)
                            India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States.

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              It’s Constitutional.

                              India constitution (English version): https://cdnbbsr.s3waas.gov.in/s380537a945c7aaa788ccfcdf1b99b5d8f/uploads/2023/05/2023050195.pdf

                              PART 1, Article 1, (1)
                              India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States.

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
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                              @Axtremus said in "Bharat":

                              It’s Constitutional.

                              India constitution (English version): https://cdnbbsr.s3waas.gov.in/s380537a945c7aaa788ccfcdf1b99b5d8f/uploads/2023/05/2023050195.pdf

                              PART 1, Article 1, (1)
                              India, that is Bharat, shall be a Union of States.

                              I've always found it interesting how "The United States" came to be referred to as "America."

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • 89th8 Offline
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                                89th
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                                Ha, that reminds me of a big debate I had with friends in college about how places like Peru can be called America too.

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                                  taiwan_girl
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                                  And the official mane of Mexico is "United Mexican States"

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                                    LuFins Dad
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                                    So if India goes back to being Bharat and we start calling people with that heritage Bharatians, can we go back to calling Native Americans “Indians”?

                                    The Brad

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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      Ha, that reminds me of a big debate I had with friends in college about how places like Peru can be called America too.

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      @89th said in "Bharat":

                                      Ha, that reminds me of a big debate I had with friends in college about how places like Peru can be called America too.

                                      In South America they refer to us (USA) Americans as “Norteamericanos” (at least when they’re being polite).

                                      México is also North America, so they don’t say that. There I t’s Estadounidense”.

                                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                                      • 89th8 89th

                                        Wow how ignorant I am of some basic history. I didn't realize India and Pakistan used to be the same "country" (or that Bangladesh was East Pakistan before it broke off).

                                        Also, I'm surprised the name America hasn't been cancelled yet. He (Vespucci) was one of those evil explorers who helped with the slave trade, you know.

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                                        Wim
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                                        @89th Vespucci's name wasn't Amerigo:
                                        https://www.jonathancohenweb.com/america.html

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