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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by George K
    #12

    NTSB Chairman comments on Mayor SecTrans Pete's remarks:

    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1626379359375265792.html

    =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

    First, a message to the community…then a plea to those spreading misinformation.

    To everyone affected: know that @NTSB is working vigorously to understand what caused this train derailment — so it never happens again.

    You have my personal commitment that the NTSB will CONTINUE to share all information publicly as soon as possible following our analysis. Here's a link to our Feb. 14 update:

    Next: NTSB investigators will thoroughly examine the tank cars once decontaminated. As always, we’ll issue urgent safety recommendations as needed.

    Urgent safety recommendations may be issued at any time; meaning, we don't wait until the end of our investigation if immediate safety action is warranted.

    Nothing…nothing is more important than accuracy at a moment like this, which is why the NTSB is deliberate in our approach to investigations. Credibility is ESSENTIAL to our lifesaving mission. The NTSB process WORKS. See how here:

    That leads me to my last point: anyone speculating about what happened, didn’t happen, or should've happened is misleading a suffering community – PLEASE STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. For example…

    Some are saying the ECP (electronically controlled pneumatic) brake rule, if implemented, would’ve prevented this derailment. FALSE – here’s why…

    The ECP braking rule would’ve applied ONLY to HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE TRAINS. The train that derailed in East Palestine was a MIXED FREIGHT TRAIN containing only 3 placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars.

    image.png

    This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes.

    For a reminder of the history on ECP, see this graphic from @USGAO. The Dec 2015 FAST Act directive (below) resulted in PHMSA withdrawing the ECP brake rule on September 24, 2018.

    image.jpeg

    I urge you: let the NTSB lead the #safety analysis. Anything else is harmful — and adding pain to a community that’s been through enough.

    But…if this derailment has moved you to want to become a safety investigator, we’d love to have you at the NTSB.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

    LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
    • George KG George K

      NTSB Chairman comments on Mayor SecTrans Pete's remarks:

      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1626379359375265792.html

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

      First, a message to the community…then a plea to those spreading misinformation.

      To everyone affected: know that @NTSB is working vigorously to understand what caused this train derailment — so it never happens again.

      You have my personal commitment that the NTSB will CONTINUE to share all information publicly as soon as possible following our analysis. Here's a link to our Feb. 14 update:

      Next: NTSB investigators will thoroughly examine the tank cars once decontaminated. As always, we’ll issue urgent safety recommendations as needed.

      Urgent safety recommendations may be issued at any time; meaning, we don't wait until the end of our investigation if immediate safety action is warranted.

      Nothing…nothing is more important than accuracy at a moment like this, which is why the NTSB is deliberate in our approach to investigations. Credibility is ESSENTIAL to our lifesaving mission. The NTSB process WORKS. See how here:

      That leads me to my last point: anyone speculating about what happened, didn’t happen, or should've happened is misleading a suffering community – PLEASE STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. For example…

      Some are saying the ECP (electronically controlled pneumatic) brake rule, if implemented, would’ve prevented this derailment. FALSE – here’s why…

      The ECP braking rule would’ve applied ONLY to HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE TRAINS. The train that derailed in East Palestine was a MIXED FREIGHT TRAIN containing only 3 placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars.

      image.png

      This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes.

      For a reminder of the history on ECP, see this graphic from @USGAO. The Dec 2015 FAST Act directive (below) resulted in PHMSA withdrawing the ECP brake rule on September 24, 2018.

      image.jpeg

      I urge you: let the NTSB lead the #safety analysis. Anything else is harmful — and adding pain to a community that’s been through enough.

      But…if this derailment has moved you to want to become a safety investigator, we’d love to have you at the NTSB.

      LuFins DadL Offline
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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on last edited by
      #13

      @George-K said in It stinks in Ohio:

      NTSB Chairman comments on Mayor SecTrans Pete's remarks:

      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1626379359375265792.html

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

      First, a message to the community…then a plea to those spreading misinformation.

      To everyone affected: know that @NTSB is working vigorously to understand what caused this train derailment — so it never happens again.

      You have my personal commitment that the NTSB will CONTINUE to share all information publicly as soon as possible following our analysis. Here's a link to our Feb. 14 update:

      Next: NTSB investigators will thoroughly examine the tank cars once decontaminated. As always, we’ll issue urgent safety recommendations as needed.

      Urgent safety recommendations may be issued at any time; meaning, we don't wait until the end of our investigation if immediate safety action is warranted.

      Nothing…nothing is more important than accuracy at a moment like this, which is why the NTSB is deliberate in our approach to investigations. Credibility is ESSENTIAL to our lifesaving mission. The NTSB process WORKS. See how here:

      That leads me to my last point: anyone speculating about what happened, didn’t happen, or should've happened is misleading a suffering community – PLEASE STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. For example…

      Some are saying the ECP (electronically controlled pneumatic) brake rule, if implemented, would’ve prevented this derailment. FALSE – here’s why…

      The ECP braking rule would’ve applied ONLY to HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE TRAINS. The train that derailed in East Palestine was a MIXED FREIGHT TRAIN containing only 3 placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars.

      image.png

      This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes.

      For a reminder of the history on ECP, see this graphic from @USGAO. The Dec 2015 FAST Act directive (below) resulted in PHMSA withdrawing the ECP brake rule on September 24, 2018.

      image.jpeg

      I urge you: let the NTSB lead the #safety analysis. Anything else is harmful — and adding pain to a community that’s been through enough.

      But…if this derailment has moved you to want to become a safety investigator, we’d love to have you at the NTSB.

      Wow! Doesn’t he report to SecTrans Pete?

      The Brad

      kluursK 1 Reply Last reply
      • LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on last edited by LuFins Dad
        #14

        It actually looks like the NTSB has had a series of problems with Mayor Pete.

        https://www.ksat.com/news/politics/2022/01/18/ntsb-chief-to-fed-agency-stop-using-misleading-statistics/

        https://transportation.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=405946

        The Brad

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #15

          Well, she was appointed to NTSB by Trump, so perhaps there's some blame to be laid at his feet after all.

          Just sayin.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #16

            Ignore the fact that the "Trump War Room" posted this, and listen to what the NTSB chair says about the crash - same thing I said. This was NOT a brake issue.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

              @George-K said in It stinks in Ohio:

              NTSB Chairman comments on Mayor SecTrans Pete's remarks:

              https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1626379359375265792.html

              =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

              First, a message to the community…then a plea to those spreading misinformation.

              To everyone affected: know that @NTSB is working vigorously to understand what caused this train derailment — so it never happens again.

              You have my personal commitment that the NTSB will CONTINUE to share all information publicly as soon as possible following our analysis. Here's a link to our Feb. 14 update:

              Next: NTSB investigators will thoroughly examine the tank cars once decontaminated. As always, we’ll issue urgent safety recommendations as needed.

              Urgent safety recommendations may be issued at any time; meaning, we don't wait until the end of our investigation if immediate safety action is warranted.

              Nothing…nothing is more important than accuracy at a moment like this, which is why the NTSB is deliberate in our approach to investigations. Credibility is ESSENTIAL to our lifesaving mission. The NTSB process WORKS. See how here:

              That leads me to my last point: anyone speculating about what happened, didn’t happen, or should've happened is misleading a suffering community – PLEASE STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. For example…

              Some are saying the ECP (electronically controlled pneumatic) brake rule, if implemented, would’ve prevented this derailment. FALSE – here’s why…

              The ECP braking rule would’ve applied ONLY to HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE TRAINS. The train that derailed in East Palestine was a MIXED FREIGHT TRAIN containing only 3 placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars.

              image.png

              This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes.

              For a reminder of the history on ECP, see this graphic from @USGAO. The Dec 2015 FAST Act directive (below) resulted in PHMSA withdrawing the ECP brake rule on September 24, 2018.

              image.jpeg

              I urge you: let the NTSB lead the #safety analysis. Anything else is harmful — and adding pain to a community that’s been through enough.

              But…if this derailment has moved you to want to become a safety investigator, we’d love to have you at the NTSB.

              Wow! Doesn’t he report to SecTrans Pete?

              kluursK Offline
              kluursK Offline
              kluurs
              wrote on last edited by
              #17

              @LuFins-Dad said in It stinks in Ohio:

              Wow! Doesn’t he report to SecTrans Pete?

              No matter who did the appointment, a brave and constructive communication.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #18

                https://www.econlib.org/did-deregulation-lead-to-more-railroad-accidents

                image.png

                Interesting analysis here:

                https://www.cato.org/blog/ohio-train-derailment-safety-regulation-historical-improvement-rail-safety

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by George K
                  #19

                  https://reason.com/2023/03/07/how-the-media-got-the-vinyl-chloride-risk-all-wrong/

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #20

                    Hydrogen chloride, when breathed into the lungs, should make hydrochloric acid, if I haven't forgotten my chemistry.

                    HCL is not good for mucosal membranes...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      wrote on last edited by
                      #21

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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