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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by Jolly
    #11

    Buttigieg is as useless as tits on Rachel Levine

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by George K
      #12

      NTSB Chairman comments on Mayor SecTrans Pete's remarks:

      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1626379359375265792.html

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

      First, a message to the community…then a plea to those spreading misinformation.

      To everyone affected: know that @NTSB is working vigorously to understand what caused this train derailment — so it never happens again.

      You have my personal commitment that the NTSB will CONTINUE to share all information publicly as soon as possible following our analysis. Here's a link to our Feb. 14 update:

      Next: NTSB investigators will thoroughly examine the tank cars once decontaminated. As always, we’ll issue urgent safety recommendations as needed.

      Urgent safety recommendations may be issued at any time; meaning, we don't wait until the end of our investigation if immediate safety action is warranted.

      Nothing…nothing is more important than accuracy at a moment like this, which is why the NTSB is deliberate in our approach to investigations. Credibility is ESSENTIAL to our lifesaving mission. The NTSB process WORKS. See how here:

      That leads me to my last point: anyone speculating about what happened, didn’t happen, or should've happened is misleading a suffering community – PLEASE STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. For example…

      Some are saying the ECP (electronically controlled pneumatic) brake rule, if implemented, would’ve prevented this derailment. FALSE – here’s why…

      The ECP braking rule would’ve applied ONLY to HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE TRAINS. The train that derailed in East Palestine was a MIXED FREIGHT TRAIN containing only 3 placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars.

      image.png

      This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes.

      For a reminder of the history on ECP, see this graphic from @USGAO. The Dec 2015 FAST Act directive (below) resulted in PHMSA withdrawing the ECP brake rule on September 24, 2018.

      image.jpeg

      I urge you: let the NTSB lead the #safety analysis. Anything else is harmful — and adding pain to a community that’s been through enough.

      But…if this derailment has moved you to want to become a safety investigator, we’d love to have you at the NTSB.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

      LuFins DadL 1 Reply Last reply
      • George KG George K

        NTSB Chairman comments on Mayor SecTrans Pete's remarks:

        https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1626379359375265792.html

        =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

        First, a message to the community…then a plea to those spreading misinformation.

        To everyone affected: know that @NTSB is working vigorously to understand what caused this train derailment — so it never happens again.

        You have my personal commitment that the NTSB will CONTINUE to share all information publicly as soon as possible following our analysis. Here's a link to our Feb. 14 update:

        Next: NTSB investigators will thoroughly examine the tank cars once decontaminated. As always, we’ll issue urgent safety recommendations as needed.

        Urgent safety recommendations may be issued at any time; meaning, we don't wait until the end of our investigation if immediate safety action is warranted.

        Nothing…nothing is more important than accuracy at a moment like this, which is why the NTSB is deliberate in our approach to investigations. Credibility is ESSENTIAL to our lifesaving mission. The NTSB process WORKS. See how here:

        That leads me to my last point: anyone speculating about what happened, didn’t happen, or should've happened is misleading a suffering community – PLEASE STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. For example…

        Some are saying the ECP (electronically controlled pneumatic) brake rule, if implemented, would’ve prevented this derailment. FALSE – here’s why…

        The ECP braking rule would’ve applied ONLY to HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE TRAINS. The train that derailed in East Palestine was a MIXED FREIGHT TRAIN containing only 3 placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars.

        image.png

        This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes.

        For a reminder of the history on ECP, see this graphic from @USGAO. The Dec 2015 FAST Act directive (below) resulted in PHMSA withdrawing the ECP brake rule on September 24, 2018.

        image.jpeg

        I urge you: let the NTSB lead the #safety analysis. Anything else is harmful — and adding pain to a community that’s been through enough.

        But…if this derailment has moved you to want to become a safety investigator, we’d love to have you at the NTSB.

        LuFins DadL Offline
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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on last edited by
        #13

        @George-K said in It stinks in Ohio:

        NTSB Chairman comments on Mayor SecTrans Pete's remarks:

        https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1626379359375265792.html

        =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

        First, a message to the community…then a plea to those spreading misinformation.

        To everyone affected: know that @NTSB is working vigorously to understand what caused this train derailment — so it never happens again.

        You have my personal commitment that the NTSB will CONTINUE to share all information publicly as soon as possible following our analysis. Here's a link to our Feb. 14 update:

        Next: NTSB investigators will thoroughly examine the tank cars once decontaminated. As always, we’ll issue urgent safety recommendations as needed.

        Urgent safety recommendations may be issued at any time; meaning, we don't wait until the end of our investigation if immediate safety action is warranted.

        Nothing…nothing is more important than accuracy at a moment like this, which is why the NTSB is deliberate in our approach to investigations. Credibility is ESSENTIAL to our lifesaving mission. The NTSB process WORKS. See how here:

        That leads me to my last point: anyone speculating about what happened, didn’t happen, or should've happened is misleading a suffering community – PLEASE STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. For example…

        Some are saying the ECP (electronically controlled pneumatic) brake rule, if implemented, would’ve prevented this derailment. FALSE – here’s why…

        The ECP braking rule would’ve applied ONLY to HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE TRAINS. The train that derailed in East Palestine was a MIXED FREIGHT TRAIN containing only 3 placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars.

        image.png

        This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes.

        For a reminder of the history on ECP, see this graphic from @USGAO. The Dec 2015 FAST Act directive (below) resulted in PHMSA withdrawing the ECP brake rule on September 24, 2018.

        image.jpeg

        I urge you: let the NTSB lead the #safety analysis. Anything else is harmful — and adding pain to a community that’s been through enough.

        But…if this derailment has moved you to want to become a safety investigator, we’d love to have you at the NTSB.

        Wow! Doesn’t he report to SecTrans Pete?

        The Brad

        kluursK 1 Reply Last reply
        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on last edited by LuFins Dad
          #14

          It actually looks like the NTSB has had a series of problems with Mayor Pete.

          https://www.ksat.com/news/politics/2022/01/18/ntsb-chief-to-fed-agency-stop-using-misleading-statistics/

          https://transportation.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=405946

          The Brad

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #15

            Well, she was appointed to NTSB by Trump, so perhaps there's some blame to be laid at his feet after all.

            Just sayin.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #16

              Ignore the fact that the "Trump War Room" posted this, and listen to what the NTSB chair says about the crash - same thing I said. This was NOT a brake issue.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                @George-K said in It stinks in Ohio:

                NTSB Chairman comments on Mayor SecTrans Pete's remarks:

                https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1626379359375265792.html

                =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

                First, a message to the community…then a plea to those spreading misinformation.

                To everyone affected: know that @NTSB is working vigorously to understand what caused this train derailment — so it never happens again.

                You have my personal commitment that the NTSB will CONTINUE to share all information publicly as soon as possible following our analysis. Here's a link to our Feb. 14 update:

                Next: NTSB investigators will thoroughly examine the tank cars once decontaminated. As always, we’ll issue urgent safety recommendations as needed.

                Urgent safety recommendations may be issued at any time; meaning, we don't wait until the end of our investigation if immediate safety action is warranted.

                Nothing…nothing is more important than accuracy at a moment like this, which is why the NTSB is deliberate in our approach to investigations. Credibility is ESSENTIAL to our lifesaving mission. The NTSB process WORKS. See how here:

                That leads me to my last point: anyone speculating about what happened, didn’t happen, or should've happened is misleading a suffering community – PLEASE STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. For example…

                Some are saying the ECP (electronically controlled pneumatic) brake rule, if implemented, would’ve prevented this derailment. FALSE – here’s why…

                The ECP braking rule would’ve applied ONLY to HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE TRAINS. The train that derailed in East Palestine was a MIXED FREIGHT TRAIN containing only 3 placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars.

                image.png

                This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes.

                For a reminder of the history on ECP, see this graphic from @USGAO. The Dec 2015 FAST Act directive (below) resulted in PHMSA withdrawing the ECP brake rule on September 24, 2018.

                image.jpeg

                I urge you: let the NTSB lead the #safety analysis. Anything else is harmful — and adding pain to a community that’s been through enough.

                But…if this derailment has moved you to want to become a safety investigator, we’d love to have you at the NTSB.

                Wow! Doesn’t he report to SecTrans Pete?

                kluursK Offline
                kluursK Offline
                kluurs
                wrote on last edited by
                #17

                @LuFins-Dad said in It stinks in Ohio:

                Wow! Doesn’t he report to SecTrans Pete?

                No matter who did the appointment, a brave and constructive communication.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #18

                  https://www.econlib.org/did-deregulation-lead-to-more-railroad-accidents

                  image.png

                  Interesting analysis here:

                  https://www.cato.org/blog/ohio-train-derailment-safety-regulation-historical-improvement-rail-safety

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by George K
                    #19

                    https://reason.com/2023/03/07/how-the-media-got-the-vinyl-chloride-risk-all-wrong/

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #20

                      Hydrogen chloride, when breathed into the lungs, should make hydrochloric acid, if I haven't forgotten my chemistry.

                      HCL is not good for mucosal membranes...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #21

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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