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  • CopperC Offline
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    Copper
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    #34

    This argument about the scourge of driving while black used to need one random second-hand anecdote to prove the case.

    The anecdote is no longer required.

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      #35

      In England they've had these shows where a conservative spokesperson has to live on benefits for a month to prove how freaking easy it is, as the statistical analysis say that it's easily a living wage.

      There are numerous examples of this not being nearly as easy as was thought. Apart from anything else, have you any idea how difficult it is to find smoked salmon and pate de foie gras at an affordable price?

      I was only joking

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        In England they've had these shows where a conservative spokesperson has to live on benefits for a month to prove how freaking easy it is, as the statistical analysis say that it's easily a living wage.

        There are numerous examples of this not being nearly as easy as was thought. Apart from anything else, have you any idea how difficult it is to find smoked salmon and pate de foie gras at an affordable price?

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        Larry
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        #36

        @Doctor-Phibes said in What the actual fuck:

        In England they've had these shows where a conservative spokesperson has to live on benefits for a month to prove how freaking easy it is, as the statistical analysis say that it's easily a living wage.

        There are numerous examples of this not being nearly as easy as was thought.

        Good reason for them to get off their ass ANF get a job.

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        • LarryL Larry

          @Doctor-Phibes said in What the actual fuck:

          In England they've had these shows where a conservative spokesperson has to live on benefits for a month to prove how freaking easy it is, as the statistical analysis say that it's easily a living wage.

          There are numerous examples of this not being nearly as easy as was thought.

          Good reason for them to get off their ass ANF get a job.

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on last edited by
          #37

          @Larry said in What the actual fuck:

          @Doctor-Phibes said in What the actual fuck:

          In England they've had these shows where a conservative spokesperson has to live on benefits for a month to prove how freaking easy it is, as the statistical analysis say that it's easily a living wage.

          There are numerous examples of this not being nearly as easy as was thought.

          Good reason for them to get off their ass ANF get a job.

          Most of the conservative spokepeople think they have useful jobs. I know it's a fucking ridiculous idea, but apparently they believe it.

          I was only joking

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          • LarryL Offline
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            Larry
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            #38

            You know that's not what I meant. Tell me you know that so I won't have to worry about you running with scissors.

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            • Doctor PhibesD Offline
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              #39

              You haven't seen the spokespeople 😆

              Yes, obviously, the people should get jobs where possible, but it's not always that simple. During an economic downturn, for example, there isn't a miraculous increase in the number of lazy bastards.

              I was only joking

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                #40

                Chilling.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • LarryL Offline
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                  #41

                  Anyone ever wonder why our first black president never mentioned this "holiday" a single time during his 8 years of infesting the office of the President? Ever wonder why Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson have never mentioned this "holday" a single time in the 5 or 6 decades they've been running their mouths? Ever wonder why in 30+ years not one single rap artist has ever mentioned this "holiday" a single time in any of their songs?

                  I'll tell you why - until about 3 weeks ago, 98% of the black people in this country had never heard the term outside of one town in Texas.

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                  • LarryL Offline
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                    Larry
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                    #42

                    Suddenly I'm craving some watermelon....

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                      xenon
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                      #43

                      As someone who grew up listening to “gansta rap” and has a good amount of sympathy for challenges the black community in the U.S. face - all this one-dimensional thought-policing is super offputting.

                      Outside of the true believers - it’s really pissing off.

                      Can’t end well.

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                        #44

                        The biggest challenge the black community faces, and has faced for the last 40+ years is themselves.

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                          Making sure everybody is terrified of talking about black people is not going to fix that culture. And it's a little absurd that the most politically important culture in this country is taboo to talk about.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            The biggest challenge the black community faces, and has faced for the last 40+ years is themselves.

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                            xenon
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                            #46

                            @Larry said in What the actual fuck:

                            The biggest challenge the black community faces, and has faced for the last 40+ years is themselves.

                            You're technically right. (But I'd say there's plenty of black folk who do spectacularly well - just like other races)

                            The infrastructure exists in this country for people to not have to be in poverty. Immigrant success stories are a testament to that.

                            The problem is - I'm a firm believer that your potential in life is set very early. Then you unleash that potential against whatever circumstances you're in.

                            Some guy in a crap country with "high potential" and a good upbringing might just make it past the point of subsistence, while he has the chance of being a multimillionaire in the U.S.

                            Kids in neighborhoods in a bad cycle (broken homes, poor/absent parenting, etc.) - are just screwed. They don't know what else they could be doing. They didn't get the development they needed to make it. Hard problem to solve - but not solved by blaming it on whitey.

                            EDIT: many non-black communities likely face this dynamic as well.

                            If you're born with all your faculties intact - the biggest privilege you can have is your parents (and I'm not talking about their money)

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                              Agree with Xenon. When you're born into a culture that, whether it is disadvantaged or not, is perceived to be disadvantaged by a lot of people (black and white), you need an extra helping of situational awareness in all aspects of your life -- and enough self reliance and moxie to act on what you discover. Hard enough for most people regardless of race, but especially so for black people, fair or not.

                              Not picking on Xenon particularly, but maybe we can start by ceasing to refer to them as "black folk". Whenever I hear that phrase, I flinch, picturing a group of people clog dancing to "Shortnin' Bread".

                              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                Agree with Xenon. When you're born into a culture that, whether it is disadvantaged or not, is perceived to be disadvantaged by a lot of people (black and white), you need an extra helping of situational awareness in all aspects of your life -- and enough self reliance and moxie to act on what you discover. Hard enough for most people regardless of race, but especially so for black people, fair or not.

                                Not picking on Xenon particularly, but maybe we can start by ceasing to refer to them as "black folk". Whenever I hear that phrase, I flinch, picturing a group of people clog dancing to "Shortnin' Bread".

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                                @Catseye3 said in What the actual fuck:

                                Agree with Xenon. When you're born into a culture that, whether it is disadvantaged or not, is perceived to be disadvantaged by a lot of people (black and white), you need an extra helping of situational awareness in all aspects of your life -- and enough self reliance and moxie to act on what you discover. Hard enough for most people regardless of race, but especially so for black people, fair or not.

                                Not picking on Xenon particularly, but maybe we can start by ceasing to refer to them as "black folk". Whenever I hear that phrase, I flinch, picturing a group of people clog dancing to "Shortnin' Bread".

                                I referred to a group of 3 C-level people for a multi-billion $ company as "you folk" to their face a couple of weeks ago- and got ribbed for it by my team after.

                                I just call everyone folk - it's not a black person thing.

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                                  @Catseye3 said in What the actual fuck:

                                  Not picking on Xenon particularly, but maybe we can start by ceasing to refer to them as "black folk".

                                  More dancing around words and language is not what we need. "Black folk" is fine.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                  • HoraceH Horace

                                    @Catseye3 said in What the actual fuck:

                                    Not picking on Xenon particularly, but maybe we can start by ceasing to refer to them as "black folk".

                                    More dancing around words and language is not what we need. "Black folk" is fine.

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                                    @Horace said in What the actual fuck:

                                    More dancing around words and language is not what we need. "Black folk" is fine.

                                    Eh . . . it's a cultural colloquialism, you know? And it's a small thing, wouldn't take much to fix.

                                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                      #51

                                      Tell Ben Carson that his extremely disadvantaged childhood meant he couldn't climb out on his own.

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                                      • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                        @Horace said in What the actual fuck:

                                        More dancing around words and language is not what we need. "Black folk" is fine.

                                        Eh . . . it's a cultural colloquialism, you know? And it's a small thing, wouldn't take much to fix.

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                                        @Catseye3 said in What the actual fuck:

                                        @Horace said in What the actual fuck:

                                        More dancing around words and language is not what we need. "Black folk" is fine.

                                        Eh . . . it's a cultural colloquialism, you know? And it's a small thing, wouldn't take much to fix.

                                        I think taking a common word out of acceptable usage because one person thinks it sounds funny is pretty drastic. In fact it would be a completely absurd idea except for the drastic implication that the word is racist. A google search turns up no indication that anybody but you thinks ill of the term.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          Okay. Then don't.

                                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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