What the actual fuck
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@Horace said in What the actual fuck:
@Doctor-Phibes said in What the actual fuck:
I love Dave Chappelle.
He's brilliant but nowadays the narrative is his reality. He's as angry and righteous about white cops murdering black folk as anybody.
I hadn't seen that - I know it's not something anybody here seems to want to accept, and feel free to write me off as a brain-dead liberal as you see fit, but maybe, just maybe, he has a point? Maybe there is actually some truth to the narrative.
I honestly don't know. I'm not black. I've lived a very privileged life. I've never been pulled over because I'm driving a car that doesn't seem to fit my demographic. What I do know is that when I hung out with a bunch of Pakistani kids for a few years in the UK, they frequently had to endure all kinds of shit that I'd never come across.
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in What the actual fuck:
@Horace said in What the actual fuck:
@Doctor-Phibes said in What the actual fuck:
I love Dave Chappelle.
He's brilliant but nowadays the narrative is his reality. He's as angry and righteous about white cops murdering black folk as anybody.
I hadn't seen that - I know it's not something anybody here seems to want to accept, and feel free to write me off as a brain-dead liberal as you see fit, but maybe, just maybe, he has a point? Maybe there is actually some truth to the narrative.
I honestly don't know. I'm not black. I've lived a very privileged life. I've never been pulled over because I'm driving a car that doesn't seem to fit my demographic. What I do know is that when I hung out with a bunch of Pakistani kids for a few years in the UK, they frequently had to endure all kinds of shit that I'd never come across.
I watched his 26-minute open-air thing in Ohio several times now. He's got his own narrative about this. He's on the "police brutality" side of the argument to be sure, but his arguments are his own. It'd be dishonest to label him as a mouthpiece.
His point about Chris Dorner and the importance about how that drama ended was well-considered.
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In England they've had these shows where a conservative spokesperson has to live on benefits for a month to prove how freaking easy it is, as the statistical analysis say that it's easily a living wage.
There are numerous examples of this not being nearly as easy as was thought. Apart from anything else, have you any idea how difficult it is to find smoked salmon and pate de foie gras at an affordable price?
Proud supporter of Plan 2525. Everything you think, do and say will be in the pill you took today.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in What the actual fuck:
In England they've had these shows where a conservative spokesperson has to live on benefits for a month to prove how freaking easy it is, as the statistical analysis say that it's easily a living wage.
There are numerous examples of this not being nearly as easy as was thought.
Good reason for them to get off their ass ANF get a job.
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@Larry said in What the actual fuck:
@Doctor-Phibes said in What the actual fuck:
In England they've had these shows where a conservative spokesperson has to live on benefits for a month to prove how freaking easy it is, as the statistical analysis say that it's easily a living wage.
There are numerous examples of this not being nearly as easy as was thought.
Good reason for them to get off their ass ANF get a job.
Most of the conservative spokepeople think they have useful jobs. I know it's a fucking ridiculous idea, but apparently they believe it.
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You haven't seen the spokespeople
Yes, obviously, the people should get jobs where possible, but it's not always that simple. During an economic downturn, for example, there isn't a miraculous increase in the number of lazy bastards.
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Anyone ever wonder why our first black president never mentioned this "holiday" a single time during his 8 years of infesting the office of the President? Ever wonder why Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson have never mentioned this "holday" a single time in the 5 or 6 decades they've been running their mouths? Ever wonder why in 30+ years not one single rap artist has ever mentioned this "holiday" a single time in any of their songs?
I'll tell you why - until about 3 weeks ago, 98% of the black people in this country had never heard the term outside of one town in Texas.
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As someone who grew up listening to “gansta rap” and has a good amount of sympathy for challenges the black community in the U.S. face - all this one-dimensional thought-policing is super offputting.
Outside of the true believers - it’s really pissing off.
Can’t end well.
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@Larry said in What the actual fuck:
The biggest challenge the black community faces, and has faced for the last 40+ years is themselves.
You're technically right. (But I'd say there's plenty of black folk who do spectacularly well - just like other races)
The infrastructure exists in this country for people to not have to be in poverty. Immigrant success stories are a testament to that.
The problem is - I'm a firm believer that your potential in life is set very early. Then you unleash that potential against whatever circumstances you're in.
Some guy in a crap country with "high potential" and a good upbringing might just make it past the point of subsistence, while he has the chance of being a multimillionaire in the U.S.
Kids in neighborhoods in a bad cycle (broken homes, poor/absent parenting, etc.) - are just screwed. They don't know what else they could be doing. They didn't get the development they needed to make it. Hard problem to solve - but not solved by blaming it on whitey.
EDIT: many non-black communities likely face this dynamic as well.
If you're born with all your faculties intact - the biggest privilege you can have is your parents (and I'm not talking about their money)
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Agree with Xenon. When you're born into a culture that, whether it is disadvantaged or not, is perceived to be disadvantaged by a lot of people (black and white), you need an extra helping of situational awareness in all aspects of your life -- and enough self reliance and moxie to act on what you discover. Hard enough for most people regardless of race, but especially so for black people, fair or not.
Not picking on Xenon particularly, but maybe we can start by ceasing to refer to them as "black folk". Whenever I hear that phrase, I flinch, picturing a group of people clog dancing to "Shortnin' Bread".
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@Catseye3 said in What the actual fuck:
Agree with Xenon. When you're born into a culture that, whether it is disadvantaged or not, is perceived to be disadvantaged by a lot of people (black and white), you need an extra helping of situational awareness in all aspects of your life -- and enough self reliance and moxie to act on what you discover. Hard enough for most people regardless of race, but especially so for black people, fair or not.
Not picking on Xenon particularly, but maybe we can start by ceasing to refer to them as "black folk". Whenever I hear that phrase, I flinch, picturing a group of people clog dancing to "Shortnin' Bread".
I referred to a group of 3 C-level people for a multi-billion $ company as "you folk" to their face a couple of weeks ago- and got ribbed for it by my team after.
I just call everyone folk - it's not a black person thing.
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@Catseye3 said in What the actual fuck:
Not picking on Xenon particularly, but maybe we can start by ceasing to refer to them as "black folk".
More dancing around words and language is not what we need. "Black folk" is fine.
Education is extremely important.
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