Ivermectin, again...

[George K]

Two years later, we're still litigating this?

I don't have much of a problem with docs prescribing off-label use of drugs. Look no farther than the explosion of Ozempic for that.

But, I've yet to read a study that shows that ivermectin, though safe, and largely without serious side effects, is of any benefit in treating COVID-19.

If a doc were to prescribe insulin to treat a foot infection, that would certainly be off-label, but it wouldn't be justified.

[Jolly]

Can docs prescribe off-label?

That seems to be the underlying issue.

[George K]

@Jolly said in Ivermectin, again...:

Can docs prescribe off-label?

That seems to be the underlying issue.

Yes, they can, and do. Goodness knows, I've given drugs off-label. And, as you say, that's what this case is about.

But, because you can doesn't mean you should.

[Jolly]

True.

But in this and others, I do not want Ax's benevolent government dictating medical treatment.

[George K]

@Jolly said in Ivermectin, again...:

I do not want Ax's benevolent government dictating medical treatment.

Yah, let the insurance companies decide!

[Jolly]

I hold them in almost as much contempt as the government.

Most missed the actual point of much of the article I posted recently, where it stated that a large portion of senior medical debt is due to insurance companies manipulating the provider/payer system.

[kluurs]

@George-K said in Ivermectin, again...:

Yah, let the insurance companies decide!

i.e. Our current system of death panels.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Ivermectin, again...:

But in this and others, I do not want Ax's benevolent government dictating medical treatment.

Supposedly your "others" do not include pregnancy termination or gender change related treatments.

[Jolly]

@Axtremus said in Ivermectin, again...:

@Jolly said in Ivermectin, again...:

But in this and others, I do not want Ax's benevolent government dictating medical treatment.

Supposedly your "others" do not include pregnancy termination or gender change related treatments.

The first rule of medicine is do no harm.

I don't consider murder and mutilation valid medical treatments.

[Doctor Phibes]

@Jolly said in Ivermectin, again...:

True.

But in this and others, I do not want Ax's benevolent government dictating medical treatment.

OK, but how do we stop crazy doctors prescribing stuff that doesn't make any sense?

At some point somebody has to be able to say "Hey, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's doing", even if he does have a medical degree.

[Jolly]

@Doctor-Phibes said in Ivermectin, again...:

@Jolly said in Ivermectin, again...:

True.

But in this and others, I do not want Ax's benevolent government dictating medical treatment.

OK, but how do we stop crazy doctors prescribing stuff that doesn't make any sense?

At some point somebody has to be able to say "Hey, this guy doesn't know what the fuck he's doing", even if he does have a medical degree.

How do you stop them? You don't.

If they are too far out of line the tort system will catch up with them.

[Copper]

And most of our legal resources are tied up with the various Trump cases.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Ivermectin, again...:

I don't consider murder and mutilation valid medical treatments.

So you want the benevolent government to prescribe what qualifies as a “valid medical treatment.”

[Jolly]

Did you get your ass whipped much as a kid?