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  • L Loki
    1 Jul 2020, 03:07

    Depressing.

    If these areas experienced a renaissance after the anarchy I’d like to see the stories. Usually we hear about human resilience in the face of terror and the destruction caused by war. What happens to war zones like these?

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    George K
    wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 11:27 last edited by
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    @Loki said in American Carnage:

    Depressing.

    If these areas experienced a renaissance after the anarchy I’d like to see the stories. Usually we hear about human resilience in the face of terror and the destruction caused by war. What happens to war zones like these?

    Didn't much of the riot-affected area of LA never recover after the Rodney King riots?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Mik
      wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 11:33 last edited by
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      War zones may experience a renaissance, but the combatants have to have left.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 11:39 last edited by jon-nyc 7 Jan 2020, 11:44
        #6

        It’s hard to generalize.

        Watts - 65
        Detroit - 67
        Chicago - 68
        New York - 77
        Los Angeles - 92
        Seattle - 99

        Very mixed bag.

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 11:45 last edited by
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          But then this isolated look at race-related riots in the 60s found enduring damage.

          https://www.nber.org/digest/sep04/w10243.html

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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            Jolly
            wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 11:53 last edited by
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            Let 'em die.

            The only problem I have with it, is the scattering of locusts to the suburbs and rural areas. Then the locusts want to change everything they find, back to the hellhole they left.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              89th
              wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 16:42 last edited by
              #9

              This is all starting to complicate my grand plan of moving to the Minneapolis suburbs next Spring.

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              • J jon-nyc
                1 Jul 2020, 11:45

                But then this isolated look at race-related riots in the 60s found enduring damage.

                https://www.nber.org/digest/sep04/w10243.html

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 17:07 last edited by
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                @jon-nyc Really depends on when and where the riots took place. If they are happening in already impoverished neighborhoods, recovery is going to be very difficult.

                The Brad

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 17:30 last edited by jon-nyc 7 Jan 2020, 17:31
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                  Yeah seems you need to put the damage in perspective.

                  100MM of damage in the Chicago loop is quite different than 100MM in the south side. Recovery might be fixing a building in one case and replacing a neighborhood in the other.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                  • 8 89th
                    1 Jul 2020, 16:42

                    This is all starting to complicate my grand plan of moving to the Minneapolis suburbs next Spring.

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                    brenda
                    wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 18:59 last edited by
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                    @89th said in American Carnage:

                    This is all starting to complicate my grand plan of moving to the Minneapolis suburbs next Spring.

                    The Minneapolis burbs are not what you see in these pics. If you still have concerns, there are great communities outside the Twin Cities, too.

                    Of course, you could also consider a nonmetro community, and we have over 800 of those throughout the state. 🙂

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                      89th
                      wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 19:20 last edited by
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                      Haha I'm not really concerned...still plan on the move. Likely around the Minnetonka area. That being said, I'm hoping the housing market isn't swamped with demand by the time I'm looking to buy, and I'm also hoping the troublemakers stay where they are right now.

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                        Doctor Phibes
                        wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 21:03 last edited by Doctor Phibes 7 Jan 2020, 21:44
                        #14

                        If ever there was a guy who was destined to live in Fergus Falls, it's you 89.

                        (All kidding aside, I would love to live there, except for the winters. We experienced enough of that in small-town Ontario)

                        I was only joking

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                          89th
                          wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 23:04 last edited by
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                          Fair, but after DC winters where you have 4 months of grey gray skies and temps hovering over a 35-degree freezing rain temp...I’d rather have winters where you know what to expect (cold and snow).

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on 1 Jul 2020, 23:20 last edited by
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                            In Canada, it wasn't actually the winter that was the problem - the extreme cold was kind of fun, in a weird way. What hurt was having to wait, sometimes until late May, for warm weather.

                            I was only joking

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                            • D Doctor Phibes
                              1 Jul 2020, 21:03

                              If ever there was a guy who was destined to live in Fergus Falls, it's you 89.

                              (All kidding aside, I would love to live there, except for the winters. We experienced enough of that in small-town Ontario)

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                              Jolly
                              wrote on 2 Jul 2020, 00:39 last edited by
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                              @Doctor-Phibes said in American Carnage:

                              If ever there was a guy who was destined to live in Fergus Falls, it's you 89.

                              (All kidding aside, I would love to live there, except for the winters. We experienced enough of that in small-town Ontario)

                              Live in the Gulf South. I hear the winters are mild.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • J Jolly
                                2 Jul 2020, 00:39

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in American Carnage:

                                If ever there was a guy who was destined to live in Fergus Falls, it's you 89.

                                (All kidding aside, I would love to live there, except for the winters. We experienced enough of that in small-town Ontario)

                                Live in the Gulf South. I hear the winters are mild.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 2 Jul 2020, 00:54 last edited by
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                                @Jolly said in American Carnage:

                                @Doctor-Phibes said in American Carnage:

                                If ever there was a guy who was destined to live in Fergus Falls, it's you 89.

                                (All kidding aside, I would love to live there, except for the winters. We experienced enough of that in small-town Ontario)

                                Live in the Gulf South. I hear the winters are mild.

                                We were in NOLA between Thanksgiving and Christmas a few years ago.

                                It was miserable - just cold enough to make it miserable with the humidity. Rain...then, more rain.

                                I don't mind cold - at all. Just don't make it bone-chillingly humid.

                                Of course, the same can be said of heat. It was in the mid-90s in Chicago today, but low humidity. Kind of pleasant, actually.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  89th
                                  wrote on 2 Jul 2020, 01:51 last edited by 89th 7 Feb 2020, 01:53
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                                  So a few weeks ago I ran the numbers. Downloaded the last 5 years of daily weather data, for 5 cities. DC (current home), Minneapolis (future), Savannah (my friend wants to move there), Miami and San Diego because a friend of mine was just curious. Spoiler alert, San Diego wins.

                                  Anyway, I tallied up the number of days per month that met my criteria for “my kind of weather” day, and here you go.

                                  Btw the criteria was a dew point of 60 or below, a high temp of 40-80, and precipitation less than a quarter inch.

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                                    89th
                                    wrote on 2 Jul 2020, 01:56 last edited by 89th 7 Feb 2020, 01:57
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                                    Here are the total days over 2015-2019

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                                      Rainman
                                      wrote on 2 Jul 2020, 02:06 last edited by
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                                      San Diego is my favorite. Spent lots of time there years ago.
                                      No longer. Too many people, and way too expensive in all respects.

                                      I was in NOLA in April a few years back. Comfortable walking around, all of a sudden it was as if someone turned on the sauna. Then, came the tornado watch. It wasn't all that hot, but man, the humidity. Soaked in sweat, and really uncomfortable for someone visiting from the Northwest. But I did buy a voodoo doll, and I still think of people and stick pins in it. Best purchase I ever made.

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                                      • R Rainman
                                        2 Jul 2020, 02:06

                                        San Diego is my favorite. Spent lots of time there years ago.
                                        No longer. Too many people, and way too expensive in all respects.

                                        I was in NOLA in April a few years back. Comfortable walking around, all of a sudden it was as if someone turned on the sauna. Then, came the tornado watch. It wasn't all that hot, but man, the humidity. Soaked in sweat, and really uncomfortable for someone visiting from the Northwest. But I did buy a voodoo doll, and I still think of people and stick pins in it. Best purchase I ever made.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 2 Jul 2020, 02:09 last edited by
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                                        @Rainman said in American Carnage:

                                        We go to NOLA once a year (except 2020, LOL) since 2015.

                                        Times to go:

                                        1. March to late April
                                        2. Mid September to late October.

                                        Otherwise...nah.

                                        Come to Chicago.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • 8 89th
                                          1 Jul 2020, 23:04

                                          Fair, but after DC winters where you have 4 months of grey gray skies and temps hovering over a 35-degree freezing rain temp...I’d rather have winters where you know what to expect (cold and snow).

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                                          brenda
                                          wrote on 2 Jul 2020, 05:34 last edited by
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                                          @89th said in American Carnage:

                                          Fair, but after DC winters where you have 4 months of grey gray skies and temps hovering over a 35-degree freezing rain temp...I’d rather have winters where you know what to expect (cold and snow).

                                          And sunny winter days! The sky is quite beautiful on a sunny winter day. Big Al commented on how blue the skies are in Minnesooooooota in the winter.

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