Well, this will make "reparations" awkward
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wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 19:18 last edited by
Ketanji Brown Jackson’s ancestors were enslaved. Her husband’s were enslavers
But when they landed in East Coast port cities hundreds of miles apart, their lives abruptly diverged. When John Greene, believed to be an ancestor of Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, got off a schooner from Trinidad in Charleston, S.C., he was immediately enslaved and dispatched to a plantation, according to family lore. When John Howland, the 10th-great-grandfather of Jackson’s husband, Patrick Jackson, disembarked the Mayflower at Plymouth, Mass., he was given housing and several acres.
Thus were two newcomers to America cast into racially predetermined roles. Today, as new genealogical research illustrates, Ketanji Brown Jackson and Patrick Jackson are left with a historical subject in common: enslaved people. His ancestors owned them, while her ancestors were them.
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wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 19:26 last edited by
I hadn't realized she married a white guy. I guess it's not politically useful to talk about that.
When John Greene, believed to be an ancestor of Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, got off a schooner from Trinidad in Charleston, S.C., he was immediately enslaved and dispatched to a plantation, according to family lore.
A remarkable story if true. Mostly slaves became slaves when black people in africa made them that way, before selling them to the white people.
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wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 19:27 last edited by
All living humans, save for the remaining hunter-gatherer tribes, are descended from both slaves and slaveholders.
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I hadn't realized she married a white guy. I guess it's not politically useful to talk about that.
When John Greene, believed to be an ancestor of Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, got off a schooner from Trinidad in Charleston, S.C., he was immediately enslaved and dispatched to a plantation, according to family lore.
A remarkable story if true. Mostly slaves became slaves when black people in africa made them that way, before selling them to the white people.
wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 19:29 last edited by@Horace said in Well, this will make "reparations" awkward:
I hadn't realized she married a white guy. I guess it's not politically useful to talk about that.
When John Greene, believed to be an ancestor of Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, got off a schooner from Trinidad in Charleston, S.C., he was immediately enslaved and dispatched to a plantation, according to family lore.
A remarkable story if true. Mostly slaves became slaves when black people in africa made them that way, before selling them to the white people.
I’m certain it’s false. He didn’t take a schooner to antebellum Charleston as a free man.
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All living humans, save for the remaining hunter-gatherer tribes, are descended from both slaves and slaveholders.
wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 19:30 last edited by@Jon said in Well, this will make "reparations" awkward:
All living humans, save for the remaining hunter-gatherer tribes, are descended from both slaves and slaveholders.
Sure, if you go back far enough.
Somewhere, and I can't remember where, I read a statistic that since the founding of the colonies in North America, only 1.6% of the population were slaveholders. I wonder how they figured that. If true, it'll make "reparations" difficult as well. Being 1st generation American, I can pretty much guarantee that none of my ancestors held slaves, at least not in North America.
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wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 19:40 last edited by
I assume my ancestors were slaves in every country between Kenya, Saudi, Greece, Italy, Spain, France and Ireland.
I assume my ancestors owned slaves in those places too.
People that want to receive reparations understandably like reparations.
People that want to pay reparations are short sighted to say the least.
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wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 20:28 last edited by LuFins Dad
So she’s white adjacent?
:rimshot:
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So she’s white adjacent?
:rimshot:
wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 21:03 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Well, this will make "reparations" awkward:
So she’s white adjacent?
She's White by injection.
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@Jon said in Well, this will make "reparations" awkward:
All living humans, save for the remaining hunter-gatherer tribes, are descended from both slaves and slaveholders.
Sure, if you go back far enough.
Somewhere, and I can't remember where, I read a statistic that since the founding of the colonies in North America, only 1.6% of the population were slaveholders. I wonder how they figured that. If true, it'll make "reparations" difficult as well. Being 1st generation American, I can pretty much guarantee that none of my ancestors held slaves, at least not in North America.
wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 21:19 last edited by@George-K said in Well, this will make "reparations" awkward:
@Jon said in Well, this will make "reparations" awkward:
All living humans, save for the remaining hunter-gatherer tribes, are descended from both slaves and slaveholders.
Sure, if you go back far enough.
Somewhere, and I can't remember where, I read a statistic that since the founding of the colonies in North America, only 1.6% of the population were slaveholders. I wonder how they figured that. If true, it'll make "reparations" difficult as well. Being 1st generation American, I can pretty much guarantee that none of my ancestors held slaves, at least not in North America.
Right but they want the obligation to fall on the US government, not individuals with slave holding forebears.
I’ve said this before here: it’s almost certain that a higher percentage of African Americans are descended from slaveholders than white Americans.
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@George-K said in Well, this will make "reparations" awkward:
@Jon said in Well, this will make "reparations" awkward:
All living humans, save for the remaining hunter-gatherer tribes, are descended from both slaves and slaveholders.
Sure, if you go back far enough.
Somewhere, and I can't remember where, I read a statistic that since the founding of the colonies in North America, only 1.6% of the population were slaveholders. I wonder how they figured that. If true, it'll make "reparations" difficult as well. Being 1st generation American, I can pretty much guarantee that none of my ancestors held slaves, at least not in North America.
Right but they want the obligation to fall on the US government, not individuals with slave holding forebears.
I’ve said this before here: it’s almost certain that a higher percentage of African Americans are descended from slaveholders than white Americans.
wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 21:21 last edited by@Jon said in Well, this will make "reparations" awkward:
they want the obligation to fall on the US government
I'm not quite sure I'm ready to cough up my "fair share" of that government obligation.
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wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 21:34 last edited by Jon
I never will be. It’s totally absurd.
Plus it would never work, in the sense that it wouldn’t ‘repair’ anything. Before the checks were even cashed all the three-named black intellectuals would be going on about how “this is just a down payment” and “you can’t erase 400 years of white supremacy with a check” etc.
It also wouldn’t work in the sense of gap closure. For that to endure you need to address the human capital gap, something the progressives won’t even discuss. In fact, they’re busy defining it away.
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wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 21:42 last edited by
Reparations would set racial animosity in stone, and that is exactly what the progressives want. If insufficient racism exists for their purposes, they will eagerly create it.
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Reparations would set racial animosity in stone, and that is exactly what the progressives want. If insufficient racism exists for their purposes, they will eagerly create it.
wrote on 19 Jun 2023, 23:07 last edited by@Horace said in Well, this will make "reparations" awkward:
what the progressives want.
What do they want?
Like the ban on natural gas and oil and plastics they seem to have no ability to think more than a few minutes into the future.
This reparation proposal is completely ridiculous.
Even if everyone in the country wanted reparations paid.
There is no way the people who receive money, or pay money could possibly be identified.
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@Horace said in Well, this will make "reparations" awkward:
what the progressives want.
What do they want?
Like the ban on natural gas and oil and plastics they seem to have no ability to think more than a few minutes into the future.
This reparation proposal is completely ridiculous.
Even if everyone in the country wanted reparations paid.
There is no way the people who receive money, or pay money could possibly be identified.
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wrote on 20 Jun 2023, 11:43 last edited by
A colossal shakedown.
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I hadn't realized she married a white guy. I guess it's not politically useful to talk about that.
When John Greene, believed to be an ancestor of Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, got off a schooner from Trinidad in Charleston, S.C., he was immediately enslaved and dispatched to a plantation, according to family lore.
A remarkable story if true. Mostly slaves became slaves when black people in africa made them that way, before selling them to the white people.
wrote on 20 Jun 2023, 13:45 last edited by@Horace said in Well, this will make "reparations" awkward:
I hadn't realized she married a white guy. I guess it's not politically useful to talk about that.
Just like who Kamala married.
And who Michelle married.
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wrote on 20 Jun 2023, 14:30 last edited by Copper
I wonder what the revolution, after reparations are paid, will look like.
Of course it will never happen, but the speculation could be fun.
