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Top doctor in Italy says coronavirus is weakening

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    Larry
    wrote on 28 Jun 2020, 22:28 last edited by
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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/20/coronavirus-has-downgraded-tiger-wild-cat-could-die-without/

    Infectious diseases specialist Prof Matteo Bassetti says Covid-19 has been losing its virulence and could die out on its own without a vaccine.

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      Axtremus
      wrote on 28 Jun 2020, 22:34 last edited by
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      It will be very good if SARS-CoV-2 mutates into something more benign like the sort that’s no worse than, say, the common cold virii.

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        28 Jun 2020, 22:28

        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/06/20/coronavirus-has-downgraded-tiger-wild-cat-could-die-without/

        Infectious diseases specialist Prof Matteo Bassetti says Covid-19 has been losing its virulence and could die out on its own without a vaccine.

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        Kincaid
        wrote on 29 Jun 2020, 01:51 last edited by
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        This would be awesome. Would perhaps explain why deaths seem to keep dropping while infections are up.

        If true, makes you wonder why God wants Trump to be re-elected?

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 29 Jun 2020, 02:20 last edited by
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          They were saying this at the beginning of June

          https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-losing-its-lethality-in-italy-according-to-doctors-2020-6

          It would be awesome, but apparently they're hospitalising 5000 a day in Texas, so I'm skeptical.

          I was only joking

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            89th
            wrote on 29 Jun 2020, 02:21 last edited by
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            Yeah but everything’s bigger in Texas.

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              George K
              wrote on 29 Jun 2020, 02:39 last edited by
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              https://reason.com/2020/06/28/cdc-antibody-studies-confirm-huge-gap-between-covid-19-infections-and-known-cases/

              Newly published antibody test results from half a dozen parts of the country confirm that COVID-19 infections in the United States far outnumber confirmed cases. The ratio of estimated infections to known cases in these studies, which the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reported on Friday, range from 6 to 1 in Connecticut as of early May to 24 to 1 in Missouri as of late April.

              These results confirm something we already knew: The COVID-19 infection fatality rate—deaths as a share of all infections—is much lower than the crude case fatality rate—deaths as a share of known cases. That is bound to be true when testing is limited and a virus typically produces mild or no symptoms. At the same time, the CDC's antibody studies imply that efforts to control the epidemic through testing, isolation, quarantine, and contact tracing will not be very effective, since they reach only a small percentage of virus carriers.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Rainman
                wrote on 29 Jun 2020, 03:03 last edited by
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                Makes me wonder what the typical trajectory is for a typical virus.

                Do most mutate towards being more virulent without killing the host, or do they mutate in a variety of directions with random offspring? How frequently does any virus reinfect, as opposed to building antibodies within the surviving host? Ax, you busy?

                I just read that the Wuhan virus will peak again in August, and will then decrease its potency and contagion in September before another mutant wave hits late November. I read this prediction by the head of virologisticollogy in Portlandistan, a suburb in the nation of CHAZ CHOP.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 29 Jun 2020, 03:56 last edited by
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                  If we can't predict the weather 10 days from now with any degree of precision, I have a hard time believing we can predict this.

                  I was only joking

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 29 Jun 2020, 10:57 last edited by
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                    Not with any certainty. We can observe what little we really know of other Corona viruses and predict based on that. But that's just a prediction.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on 30 Jun 2020, 12:35 last edited by
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                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/worlds-dominant-strain-of-coronavirus-is-10-times-more-infectious-than-the-one-that-jumped-to-humans-in-china-because-it-mutated-so-its-vital-spike-protein-doesnt-snap-as-often-in-the-body-scientists-say/ar-BB167e7l?li=BBnb7Kz

                      Then there is this other study that says there is a mutation of SARS-CoV-2 that has gotten more infectious. :man-shrugging:

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                        Mik
                        wrote on 30 Jun 2020, 12:41 last edited by
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                        I suppose it could get more infectious and still be weaker in its effect, although that seems unlikely.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • M Mik
                          30 Jun 2020, 12:41

                          I suppose it could get more infectious and still be weaker in its effect, although that seems unlikely.

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                          Axtremus
                          wrote on 30 Jun 2020, 12:48 last edited by
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                          @Mik said in Top doctor in Italy says coronavirus is weakening:

                          I suppose it could get more infectious and still be weaker in its effect, although that seems unlikely.

                          Yeap, would not be so bad if becoming more infectious is mitigated by also becoming less deadly or less physically debilitating. Though that article mentions that, for that particular mutation, being more infectious does not make it more deadly or less deadly.

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