Trump to be indicted - again.
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@George-K , you take the position that somehow HRC and Trump's transgressions are equivalent. What if they are not, that Comey was right about HRC then and Jack Smith is also right about Trump now?
@Axtremus said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@George-K , you take the position that somehow HRC and Trump's transgressions are equivalent. What if they are not, that Comey was right about HRC then and Jack Smith is also right about Trump now?
McCarthy and Rothman take that position. My comment echoes their position. Cook, whose comments I also posted, disagrees, but does not dismiss HRC's actions.
Nevertheless, I do agree that Comey's dismissal of Clinton's transgressions was inappropriate. He dismissed them even before interviewing her. The law says nothing of "intent", but that's what he based his decision to not pursue on.
We talked about this back in 2016 - no need to re-litigate it here..
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It comes down to public trust in the mechanisms of government. The public must be able to trust that it is operating effectively, openly, and in a dispassionate and nonpolitical manner. Any breach of that trust, even if it seems innocent, has to be treated without compromise. The Comey/HRC investigation was/is the tip of the iceberg. Then you had everything that has come out over the last three years regarding the FBI, FISA Warrants, and Michael Steele. You have illegal FBI stings involving Whitmer and the ridiculous white nationalist stuff. It’s eroded the trust. We see what happened to General Flynn. We see what happened with many Trump officials and the manner of their arrests -and we see the disproportionate standards of justice being applied, and we have no trust that this is being handled correctly and properly. How could we?
This isn’t about the case right now, but the past 7 years. The public trust is gone. Hell, I bet there are people on the left that see it to, but are choosing to ignore it since it’s attacking those evil conservatives, then it’s justified.
I can and do honestly believe that Trump violated the law. I can and do believe that he should likely go to jail. But after the last 7 years I cannot trust that, or those responsible to uphold these laws.
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A large portion of the country thinks the Russia hoax was a political act. The prosecution of Manafort under the Logan Act, while Kerry scampered the globe breaking the Act repeatedly. The process crime of Flynn, based on a criminal act that never existed. A good many feel that the 2020 election was rigged, either through overt actions such as ballot harvesting and lack of voter ID or through covert actions such as miscounting, ballot stuffing or computer manipulation. Many remember the FBI raiding an old man's house in the wee hours of the morning, while CNN cameras took in all the action. A lot of people look at the total inaction of the DOJ concerning the BLM riots and look at the resources committed to investigating Jan 6, and the zeal of federal prosecutors to lock up people for years over trespassing and interference with an official proceeding.
And a lot of people remember the two impeachment trials of Trump. Pure politics, one based on a pure lie and the other based on something that happens continually in politics. Something that Biden had done overtly when VP, and then bragged about. Pure political theater, orchestrated by The Swamp.
A lot of people still shake their heads at the raid at Trump's residence, while Biden has classified documents sitting in a garage, or in a warehouse or in a papers collection somewhere else.
Not to mention a political prosecution in NYC, that is based upon the flimsiest of evidence. Charges that would never have been brought if the defendant's name was not Trump.
Now somebody tell me, when the public has seen how Obama, Hillary Clinton and Biden have been treated by The Swamp, that a significant portion does not believe in The Deep State, the political weaponization of the FBI and the Justice Department, and unequal treatment under the law based on political affiliation?
You'd have to be a political partisan or fucking nuts not to see what is happening.
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The National Archives weighs in on the Presidential Records Act:
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The National Archives weighs in on the Presidential Records Act:
@George-K said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
The National Archives weighs in on the Presidential Records Act:
The Swamp speaks...
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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The Dersh weighs in. His take: for this to stand it needs to be a very, very strong case. But it looks weak, especially in light of other potential violations that have gone unindicted.
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Paul Sperry:
Sources say Special Counsel Smith does not actually have the supposed "smoking gun" doc Trump is heard on an audio talking about, which means he cannot prove it is classified and thus prove Trump knew it was classified. Prosecutors have no real evidence to show jurors.
Special Counsel Smith's indictment alleges Trump showed off a military paper that he boasted was classified "highly confidential" and "secret," but the transcript reveals Trump actually said: "like, highly confidential" and "a secret." Smith omitted the words "like" and "a."
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If true, it makes the legal case more difficult for the DOJ.
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They don't want to convict him. They just want to keep him out of the White House.
Fear.
FEAR.
FEAR!
As I've written, to give this debacle a smidgen of fig leaf, Hunter will be indicted soon. It only took how many years?
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They don't want to convict him. They just want to keep him out of the White House.
Fear.
FEAR.
FEAR!
As I've written, to give this debacle a smidgen of fig leaf, Hunter will be indicted soon. It only took how many years?
@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
They don't want to convict him. They just want to keep him out of the White House.
Fear.
FEAR.
FEAR!
As I've written, to give this debacle a smidgen of fig leaf, Hunter will be indicted soon. It only took how many years?
I disagree. They want him to win the nomination.
The Brad
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@George-K said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
The National Archives weighs in on the Presidential Records Act:
The Swamp speaks...
@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@George-K said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
The National Archives weighs in on the Presidential Records Act:
The Swamp speaks...
??? Are you saying that the National Archive is part of this so-called "swamp"?
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That’s a lot of sleight of hand on McCarthys part. Note he used the passive voice in Hillary’s case “documents were destroyed”.
@Jon said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
That’s a lot of sleight of hand on McCarthys part
Today he addresses what I think @Jon was talking about:
Is the former president being unfairly singled out for prosecution by special counsel Jack Smith’s 37-count indictment? I think so . . . but not for the reasons Trump and his devotees posit.
The problem is not that Democrats, who are leveraging the government’s law-enforcement power for partisan advantage, are going after him, even though Democrats and Beltway big shots — Hillary Clinton, Sandy Berger, David Petraeus, and (soon) Joe Biden — get a pass. The problem is that Clinton, Berger, Petraeus, and (soon) Biden get a pass.
It’s not that Trump is owed a pass. It’s that every official who is entrusted with access to the nation’s secrets, and who then betrays that trust by willful law violations and cover-ups, should be prosecuted. Every . . . single . . . one.
And none of them has any business near power.
The lesson of the Hillary Clinton precedent is that Joe Biden should be investigated and prosecuted. That’s how the scales of justice are evened out. The fix for a two-tiered justice system is not equal injustice under the law.
As for Trump, say what you want about Democrats being out to destroy him. I know all about that — wrote a book about it, in fact. But if Trump ends up being destroyed in this case, it will be based on the accounts of people who had his best interests at heart.
I don’t believe that Trump’s lawyers, who were trying to help him, would testify — as they have very reluctantly testified — that he tried to get them to destroy evidence and obstruct justice, unless he really did try to get them to destroy evidence and obstruct justice.
If you tell me I need to look the other way on that because Hillary Clinton got a pass, I respectfully suggest that you’ve lost your way.
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@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
They don't want to convict him. They just want to keep him out of the White House.
Fear.
FEAR.
FEAR!
As I've written, to give this debacle a smidgen of fig leaf, Hunter will be indicted soon. It only took how many years?
I disagree. They want him to win the nomination.
@LuFins-Dad said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@Jolly said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
They don't want to convict him. They just want to keep him out of the White House.
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I disagree. They want him to win the nomination.
You're both wrong. They are mere dutiful public servants doing their jobs enforcing the law.
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There are two Trump loyalists that I personally know that have had it with Trump over this indictment. Both are retired military pilots (one AF, the other a Marine) and both worked for years at the Pentagon. Both had extremely high security clearances and feel this was a drastic failure on Trump’s part. They would both strongly agree with McCarthy. One is now starting to look into DeSantis…
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Turley: "Many are celebrating what the Drudge Report suggested was “the downfall of the Don.” However, destroying Trump in a scandal is like trying to drown a manatee: Both are in their element."
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Turley: "Many are celebrating what the Drudge Report suggested was “the downfall of the Don.” However, destroying Trump in a scandal is like trying to drown a manatee: Both are in their element."
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@Mik said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@George-K he does have a remarkable resilience.
How did you get @Jon's password?
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@Mik said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@George-K he does have a remarkable resilience.
How did you get @Jon's password?
@George-K said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@Mik said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
@George-K he does have a remarkable resilience.
How did you get @Jon's password?
1dh!tth@t ? Pretty simple, really…
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The indictment lists these counts:
- 31 counts of willful retention of classified documents
- 1 count of conspiracy to obstruct justice
- 1 count of withholding a document or record
- 1 count of corruptly concealing a document or record
- 1 count of concealing a document in a federal investigation
- 1 count of scheme to conceal
- and one count of making false statements and representations.
We know for a fact that Pence and Biden have exposure on the basis of retention of classified documents. Pence's home, Biden's office, Biden's lawyers' office, and Biden's garage have all found to have classified documents.
Why are they not being investigated by a grand jury?
Granted the obstruction charges are a whole 'nother thing, but they are separate charges, 6 of them. Had Trump not (allegedly) obstructed, would have been charged with the first 31?
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The indictment lists these counts:
- 31 counts of willful retention of classified documents
- 1 count of conspiracy to obstruct justice
- 1 count of withholding a document or record
- 1 count of corruptly concealing a document or record
- 1 count of concealing a document in a federal investigation
- 1 count of scheme to conceal
- and one count of making false statements and representations.
We know for a fact that Pence and Biden have exposure on the basis of retention of classified documents. Pence's home, Biden's office, Biden's lawyers' office, and Biden's garage have all found to have classified documents.
Why are they not being investigated by a grand jury?
Granted the obstruction charges are a whole 'nother thing, but they are separate charges, 6 of them. Had Trump not (allegedly) obstructed, would have been charged with the first 31?
@George-K said in Trump to be indicted - again.:
- 31 counts of willful retention of classified documents
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We know for a fact that Pence and Biden have exposure on the basis of retention of classified documents. ...
Why are they not being investigated by a grand jury?You missed the word "willful."
