The Ukraine war thread
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wrote on 8 Apr 2023, 18:52 last edited by Renauda 4 Aug 2023, 18:53
I had missed this item from the newsfeed of the last ten days.
Appears that Hungary has now been added to Putin’s naughty list:
https://hungarytoday.hu/russia-hungary-friendship-relations-unfriendly-countries/
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wrote on 8 Apr 2023, 20:29 last edited by
Interesting read, but you have to use Google translate...
Https://glavcom.ua/columns/vitaliykulik/chomu-pekin-publichno-vidvazhiv-ljapasa-kremlju-919485.html
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wrote on 10 Apr 2023, 11:58 last edited by
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wrote on 11 Apr 2023, 13:48 last edited by
Ukraine’s Counteroffensive Will Likely Stall
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U.S. government does not have every confidence that Ukraine is going to prevail. Here is the actual assessment of U.S. intelligence, according to the Washington Post this morning:
Ukraine’s challenges in massing troops, ammunition and equipment could cause its military to fall “well short” of Kyiv’s original goals for an anticipated counteroffensive aimed at retaking Russian-occupied areas this spring, according to U.S. intelligence assessments contained in a growing leak of classified documents revealing Washington’s misgivings about the state of the war.
Labeled “top secret,” the bleak assessment from early February warns of significant “force generation and sustainment shortfalls,” and the likelihood that such an operation will result in only “modest territorial gains.” It’s a marked departure from the Biden administration’s public statements about the vitality of Ukraine’s military and is likely to embolden critics who feel the United States and NATO should do more to push for a negotiated settlement to the conflict.
The document adds that, “Enduring Ukrainian deficiencies in training and munitions supplies probably will strain progress and exacerbate casualties during the offensive.”
As I said yesterday, this is bad. It is bad that this assessment leaked; it is bad that this assessment of Ukraine’s abilities in the spring offensive are so modest or grim; it is bad that apparently lots of foreign-policy experts have doubts about the administration’s approach but are afraid to say so publicly; and it is bad that Biden’s public assessment of the war in Ukraine is the same rosy-eyed, unrealistic optimism that characterized his assessment of Afghanistan, inflation, migrants crossing the border, and the Chinese spy balloon. The president is always telling us that things are going great and that we have nothing to worry about, and a little later, we learn that the truth is the opposite...
the Egyptian government also explored the option of secretly selling rockets to Russia, according to the leaked documents:
President Abdel Fatah El-Sisi of Egypt, one of America’s closest allies in the Middle East and a major recipient of U.S. aid, recently ordered subordinates to produce up to 40,000 rockets to be covertly shipped to Russia, according to a leaked U.S. intelligence document.
A portion of a top secret document, dated Feb. 17, summarizes purported conversations between Sisi and senior Egyptian military officials and also references plans to supply Russia with artillery rounds and gunpowder. In the document, Sisi instructs the officials to keep the production and shipment of the rockets secret “to avoid problems with the West...”
Last month, this newsletter noted that immediately after the downing of the MQ-9 Reaper drone, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin called his Russian counterpart and told him that the “United States will fly and operate wherever international law allows,” including in air space near Ukraine. Then, a week later, the administration revealed that the drones have altered their routes and are staying further away from Ukraine “to avoid being too provocative.”
The leaked documents suggest that the U.S. is now keeping its drones about 50 miles from the Crimean coast:
A map on the document shows a boundary drawn over sections of the Black Sea to mark where surveillance planes may fly. It appears to begin about 12 miles off the coast of Crimea, adhering to international law. The map also includes a second line about 50 miles from the shore labeled “SECDEF Directed Standoff,” indicating that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin may have ordered U.S. pilots to keep aircraft farther from the peninsula.
The administration is not playing it straight with the American public when it comes to Ukraine. An inability to see the situation clearly and communicate the situation without any sugarcoating is a formula for long-term problems.
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Ukraine’s Counteroffensive Will Likely Stall
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U.S. government does not have every confidence that Ukraine is going to prevail. Here is the actual assessment of U.S. intelligence, according to the Washington Post this morning:
Ukraine’s challenges in massing troops, ammunition and equipment could cause its military to fall “well short” of Kyiv’s original goals for an anticipated counteroffensive aimed at retaking Russian-occupied areas this spring, according to U.S. intelligence assessments contained in a growing leak of classified documents revealing Washington’s misgivings about the state of the war.
Labeled “top secret,” the bleak assessment from early February warns of significant “force generation and sustainment shortfalls,” and the likelihood that such an operation will result in only “modest territorial gains.” It’s a marked departure from the Biden administration’s public statements about the vitality of Ukraine’s military and is likely to embolden critics who feel the United States and NATO should do more to push for a negotiated settlement to the conflict.
The document adds that, “Enduring Ukrainian deficiencies in training and munitions supplies probably will strain progress and exacerbate casualties during the offensive.”
As I said yesterday, this is bad. It is bad that this assessment leaked; it is bad that this assessment of Ukraine’s abilities in the spring offensive are so modest or grim; it is bad that apparently lots of foreign-policy experts have doubts about the administration’s approach but are afraid to say so publicly; and it is bad that Biden’s public assessment of the war in Ukraine is the same rosy-eyed, unrealistic optimism that characterized his assessment of Afghanistan, inflation, migrants crossing the border, and the Chinese spy balloon. The president is always telling us that things are going great and that we have nothing to worry about, and a little later, we learn that the truth is the opposite...
the Egyptian government also explored the option of secretly selling rockets to Russia, according to the leaked documents:
President Abdel Fatah El-Sisi of Egypt, one of America’s closest allies in the Middle East and a major recipient of U.S. aid, recently ordered subordinates to produce up to 40,000 rockets to be covertly shipped to Russia, according to a leaked U.S. intelligence document.
A portion of a top secret document, dated Feb. 17, summarizes purported conversations between Sisi and senior Egyptian military officials and also references plans to supply Russia with artillery rounds and gunpowder. In the document, Sisi instructs the officials to keep the production and shipment of the rockets secret “to avoid problems with the West...”
Last month, this newsletter noted that immediately after the downing of the MQ-9 Reaper drone, U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin called his Russian counterpart and told him that the “United States will fly and operate wherever international law allows,” including in air space near Ukraine. Then, a week later, the administration revealed that the drones have altered their routes and are staying further away from Ukraine “to avoid being too provocative.”
The leaked documents suggest that the U.S. is now keeping its drones about 50 miles from the Crimean coast:
A map on the document shows a boundary drawn over sections of the Black Sea to mark where surveillance planes may fly. It appears to begin about 12 miles off the coast of Crimea, adhering to international law. The map also includes a second line about 50 miles from the shore labeled “SECDEF Directed Standoff,” indicating that Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin may have ordered U.S. pilots to keep aircraft farther from the peninsula.
The administration is not playing it straight with the American public when it comes to Ukraine. An inability to see the situation clearly and communicate the situation without any sugarcoating is a formula for long-term problems.
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wrote on 11 Apr 2023, 14:04 last edited by
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
More on the leak:
"U.S. intelligence appears to have penetrated nearly every Russian military body including the General Staff, the Defense Ministry and the GRU military intelligence agency, as well as the private mercenary group Wagner."
ORLY...
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
More on the leak:
"U.S. intelligence appears to have penetrated nearly every Russian military body including the General Staff, the Defense Ministry and the GRU military intelligence agency, as well as the private mercenary group Wagner."
ORLY...
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wrote on 19 Apr 2023, 15:43 last edited by
Russian spy ship doing what it does:
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wrote on 25 Apr 2023, 11:28 last edited by
Has there been any progress on either side? My news feeds seem to have shriveled up wrt Ukraine.
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wrote on 25 Apr 2023, 14:11 last edited by
The MSM is focusing it's attention elsewhere. The more coverage, the more Americans that think it's not worth throwing more money at...
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wrote on 27 Apr 2023, 14:23 last edited by
From today’s issue Moscow Times:
The Kremlin said Thursday it welcomed any attempt to end the Ukrainian conflict, on Moscow's terms, a day after the leaders of China and Ukraine had their first call since the offensive.
"We are ready to welcome anything that can bring forward the end of the conflict in Ukraine and the achievement of Russia's goals," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.
In other words, the Kremlin is not interested.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2023, 14:25 last edited by Mik
But they have moved a huge amount of armaments out of Crimea, expecting a Ukrainian offensive. Taking Crimea back would be huge.
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From today’s issue Moscow Times:
The Kremlin said Thursday it welcomed any attempt to end the Ukrainian conflict, on Moscow's terms, a day after the leaders of China and Ukraine had their first call since the offensive.
"We are ready to welcome anything that can bring forward the end of the conflict in Ukraine and the achievement of Russia's goals," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.
In other words, the Kremlin is not interested.
wrote on 27 Apr 2023, 14:45 last edited by George K@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
From today’s issue Moscow Times:
The Kremlin said Thursday it welcomed any attempt to end the Ukrainian conflict, on Moscow's terms, a day after the leaders of China and Ukraine had their first call since the offensive.
"We are ready to welcome anything that can bring forward the end of the conflict in Ukraine and the achievement of Russia's goals," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.
In other words, the Kremlin is not interested.
What a blatantly ridiculous statement.
"Give us what we want and we'll stop killing people."
(The Kremlin, not you @Renauda !)
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wrote on 27 Apr 2023, 15:04 last edited by
I read today that many of the oligarchs, their families and even some Russian companies are actively searching for places to move, anticipating some major strife within the country.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
From today’s issue Moscow Times:
The Kremlin said Thursday it welcomed any attempt to end the Ukrainian conflict, on Moscow's terms, a day after the leaders of China and Ukraine had their first call since the offensive.
"We are ready to welcome anything that can bring forward the end of the conflict in Ukraine and the achievement of Russia's goals," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.
In other words, the Kremlin is not interested.
What a blatantly ridiculous statement.
"Give us what we want and we'll stop killing people."
(The Kremlin, not you @Renauda !)
wrote on 27 Apr 2023, 15:29 last edited by@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
From today’s issue Moscow Times:
The Kremlin said Thursday it welcomed any attempt to end the Ukrainian conflict, on Moscow's terms, a day after the leaders of China and Ukraine had their first call since the offensive.
"We are ready to welcome anything that can bring forward the end of the conflict in Ukraine and the achievement of Russia's goals," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.
In other words, the Kremlin is not interested.
What a blatantly ridiculous statement.
"Give us what we want and we'll stop killing people."
Indeed, I believe the term for it is called extortion.
Gangster diplomacy from a mafia regime.
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wrote on 27 Apr 2023, 19:23 last edited by
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wrote on 28 Apr 2023, 14:07 last edited by
They keep posting stuff like this as if it is significant. The one guy was 78, the other had suffered a serious illness for some time. Innuendo.
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They keep posting stuff like this as if it is significant. The one guy was 78, the other had suffered a serious illness for some time. Innuendo.
wrote on 28 Apr 2023, 14:23 last edited byI concur. The only time I pause is when the deceased are defenestrated, suddenly and inexplicably go into massive toxic shock or are found dead from multiple gunshot wounds.
Elbows up!
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I concur. The only time I pause is when the deceased are defenestrated, suddenly and inexplicably go into massive toxic shock or are found dead from multiple gunshot wounds.
wrote on 28 Apr 2023, 14:32 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
are found dead from multiple SELF-INFLICTED gunshot wounds.
FIFY
