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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    @George-K

    What assertion is erroneous? From what I read yesterday (admittedly skimmed) the government didn’t claim anything inconsistent with that. They said all but 10s of the video was available before sentencing. They didn’t claim it was available before the plea.

    How does additional video help a defense, anyway? I mean, if there’s video of you committing crimes at t1, how is other video showing you not committing crimes at t2 exculpatory?

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    taiwan_girl
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    @jon-nyc said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

    @George-K

    What assertion is erroneous? From what I read yesterday (admittedly skimmed) the government didn’t claim anything inconsistent with that. They said all but 10s of the video was available before sentencing. They didn’t claim it was available before the plea.

    How does additional video help a defense, anyway? I mean, if there’s video of you committing crimes at t1, how is other video showing you not committing crimes at t2 exculpatory?

    I agree.

    For example, a video shows a car hijacking occurring. If you at the video before the car hijacking, it shows the hijacker helping an old lady across the street.

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    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

      @jon-nyc said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

      @George-K

      What assertion is erroneous? From what I read yesterday (admittedly skimmed) the government didn’t claim anything inconsistent with that. They said all but 10s of the video was available before sentencing. They didn’t claim it was available before the plea.

      How does additional video help a defense, anyway? I mean, if there’s video of you committing crimes at t1, how is other video showing you not committing crimes at t2 exculpatory?

      I agree.

      For example, a video shows a car hijacking occurring. If you at the video before the car hijacking, it shows the hijacker helping an old lady across the street.

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      Copper
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      #24

      @taiwan_girl said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

      @jon-nyc said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

      @George-K

      What assertion is erroneous? From what I read yesterday (admittedly skimmed) the government didn’t claim anything inconsistent with that. They said all but 10s of the video was available before sentencing. They didn’t claim it was available before the plea.

      How does additional video help a defense, anyway? I mean, if there’s video of you committing crimes at t1, how is other video showing you not committing crimes at t2 exculpatory?

      I agree.

      For example, a video shows a car hijacking occurring. If you at the video before the car hijacking, it shows the hijacker helping an old lady across the street.

      Yes, but this video shows the car owner giving the keys to the hijacker.

      And then helping him fill up the gas tank.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
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        #25

        Chansley is released 14 months early

        The so-called 'QAnon Shaman' who pleaded guilty to storming the US Capitol on January 6 has been released from prison to a halfway house 14 months early, in an apparent reduction for good behavior.

        Jacob Chansley, 35, pleaded guilty in September 2021 to civil disorder and violent entry to the Capitol, among other charges, and was later sentenced to 41 months in federal prison.

        As of Thursday, Bureau of Prison (BOP) records showed, and his former attorney confirmed in a statement to DailyMail.com, that Chansley was in a Phoenix-area halfway house after serving just under 27 months in prison total.

        Chansley's release comes weeks after his former attorney demanded he be freed in light of new video from the Capitol riot, but his move to the halfway house appears to be unconnected, a former federal prosecutor who was not part of the case told DailyMail.com.

        Though the reason for Chansley's transfer is unclear, the former prosecutor said it was doubtful public pressure played a role, noting the move appears 'kind of routine' under BOP guidelines for good-behavior reductions and re-entry programs.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • HoraceH Online
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          Horace
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          #26

          That sound you heard wasn't the clang of his prison bars closing on his way out.

          It was the sound of our very Democracy, screaming in terror. Knowing that a vicious alpha predator is again on the loose, hunting for our Democracy's very soul.

          Education is extremely important.

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          • Doctor PhibesD Online
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            Doctor Phibes
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            #27

            Basically, he's a bit of a nutter. Hopefully they don't let him buy any guns.

            I was only joking

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            • JollyJ Offline
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              #28

              Is there anything Tucker can't do?

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Copper
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                #29

                Let's hope he has learned his lesson.

                We don't want to see him wandering the Capitol with armed police escorting him and opening doors for him.

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Is there anything Tucker can't do?

                  Doctor PhibesD Online
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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #30

                  @Jolly said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                  Is there anything Tucker can't do?

                  Shut up?

                  I was only joking

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                  • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                    @Jolly said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                    Is there anything Tucker can't do?

                    Shut up?

                    JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
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                    #31

                    @Doctor-Phibes said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                    @Jolly said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                    Is there anything Tucker can't do?

                    Shut up?

                    Do you think they would have let this guy out early without the tapes on Tucker's show?

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @Doctor-Phibes said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                      @Jolly said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                      Is there anything Tucker can't do?

                      Shut up?

                      Do you think they would have let this guy out early without the tapes on Tucker's show?

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                      George K
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                      @Jolly said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                      Do you think they would have let this guy out early without the tapes on Tucker's show?

                      I haven't looked into the details and policies, but the word is that such a release is within the standards of the DOJ. Good behavior, etc.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                        @Jolly said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                        Is there anything Tucker can't do?

                        Shut up?

                        Do you think they would have let this guy out early without the tapes on Tucker's show?

                        Doctor PhibesD Online
                        Doctor PhibesD Online
                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #33

                        @Jolly said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                        @Doctor-Phibes said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                        @Jolly said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                        Is there anything Tucker can't do?

                        Shut up?

                        Do you think they would have let this guy out early without the tapes on Tucker's show?

                        I really have no idea. The guy clearly has a few screws loose. Hopefully he'll get some help.

                        I was only joking

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Jolly said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                          Do you think they would have let this guy out early without the tapes on Tucker's show?

                          I haven't looked into the details and policies, but the word is that such a release is within the standards of the DOJ. Good behavior, etc.

                          JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #34

                          @George-K said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                          @Jolly said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                          Do you think they would have let this guy out early without the tapes on Tucker's show?

                          I haven't looked into the details and policies, but the word is that such a release is within the standards of the DOJ. Good behavior, etc.

                          Within standards, perhaps.

                          But have you seen any leniency in any charges or sentencing for Jan 6 folks?

                          This didn't pass the sniff test...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #35

                            https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1641474102551797761.html

                            Let me make something CLEAR.

                            The videos released and played on Fox News DID NOT play a role in any "early release" for Jake Chansely.

                            Al Watkins claiming that to be the case is FALSE and is Watkins to continuing to deflect blame away from himself for his horrible work.

                            Jake's sentence was 42 months.

                            The final 6 months are ALWAYS in a Halfway House by BOP police. So total custodial time was going to be 36 months.

                            But there are programs in BOP that allow a prisoner to earn credit on his sentence beyond "Good Time" credit.

                            Jake took advantage of those opportunities.

                            He was arrested in Jan 2021, and was detained the entire time. He served 26+ months in custody.

                            When I first spoke with him in Nov. 2021, I told him his release date was likely Feb. 2023.

                            He thought it would be early 2024.

                            Al Watkins never explained to him how custodial time calculations work.

                            Jake was released on exactly the time frame that I predicted to him, and the slight delay was only from getting some paperwork processed internal to BOP to give him credit for a program he completed.

                            We have known the release date for a period of time, but kept it quiet so as to not have a crowd show up at either the BOP facility or the Halfway House.

                            Al Watkins deserves NO CREDIT nor is he absolved of his failures while representing Jake.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1641474102551797761.html

                              Let me make something CLEAR.

                              The videos released and played on Fox News DID NOT play a role in any "early release" for Jake Chansely.

                              Al Watkins claiming that to be the case is FALSE and is Watkins to continuing to deflect blame away from himself for his horrible work.

                              Jake's sentence was 42 months.

                              The final 6 months are ALWAYS in a Halfway House by BOP police. So total custodial time was going to be 36 months.

                              But there are programs in BOP that allow a prisoner to earn credit on his sentence beyond "Good Time" credit.

                              Jake took advantage of those opportunities.

                              He was arrested in Jan 2021, and was detained the entire time. He served 26+ months in custody.

                              When I first spoke with him in Nov. 2021, I told him his release date was likely Feb. 2023.

                              He thought it would be early 2024.

                              Al Watkins never explained to him how custodial time calculations work.

                              Jake was released on exactly the time frame that I predicted to him, and the slight delay was only from getting some paperwork processed internal to BOP to give him credit for a program he completed.

                              We have known the release date for a period of time, but kept it quiet so as to not have a crowd show up at either the BOP facility or the Halfway House.

                              Al Watkins deserves NO CREDIT nor is he absolved of his failures while representing Jake.

                              Doctor PhibesD Online
                              Doctor PhibesD Online
                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #36

                              @George-K said in Chansley's Lawyer Speaks:

                              https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1641474102551797761.html

                              Let me make something CLEAR.

                              The videos released and played on Fox News DID NOT play a role in any "early release" for Jake Chansely.

                              Al Watkins claiming that to be the case is FALSE and is Watkins to continuing to deflect blame away from himself for his horrible work.

                              Jake's sentence was 42 months.

                              The final 6 months are ALWAYS in a Halfway House by BOP police. So total custodial time was going to be 36 months.

                              But there are programs in BOP that allow a prisoner to earn credit on his sentence beyond "Good Time" credit.

                              Jake took advantage of those opportunities.

                              He was arrested in Jan 2021, and was detained the entire time. He served 26+ months in custody.

                              When I first spoke with him in Nov. 2021, I told him his release date was likely Feb. 2023.

                              He thought it would be early 2024.

                              Al Watkins never explained to him how custodial time calculations work.

                              Jake was released on exactly the time frame that I predicted to him, and the slight delay was only from getting some paperwork processed internal to BOP to give him credit for a program he completed.

                              We have known the release date for a period of time, but kept it quiet so as to not have a crowd show up at either the BOP facility or the Halfway House.

                              Al Watkins deserves NO CREDIT nor is he absolved of his failures while representing Jake.

                              That's pretty bad, if true. It looks as though Chansley showed almost as much skill in selecting his lawyers as Trump.

                              I was only joking

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