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    xenon
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    #740

    I guess “consider the context” is the only viable argument in support of Trump on this one.

    “Consider the facts” doesn’t help.

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      jon-nyc
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      #741

      Great way of putting it, @xenon

      Only non-witches get due process.

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        Jolly
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        #742

        Doesn't matter... Xenon busted his Trump-Hater Cherry a long time ago.

        One has to back up and look at things with a historical view. And then not let pure hate get in the way.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          Doesn't matter... Xenon busted his Trump-Hater Cherry a long time ago.

          One has to back up and look at things with a historical view. And then not let pure hate get in the way.

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          jon-nyc
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          #743

          @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

          Doesn't matter... Xenon busted his Trump-Hater Cherry a long time ago.

          Didn't you just accuse Phibes of this?

          Address his post, why don't you?

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

            Doesn't matter... Xenon busted his Trump-Hater Cherry a long time ago.

            Didn't you just accuse Phibes of this?

            Address his post, why don't you?

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            Jolly
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            #744

            @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

            @Jolly said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

            Doesn't matter... Xenon busted his Trump-Hater Cherry a long time ago.

            Didn't you just accuse Phibes of this?

            Address his post, why don't you?

            Which Phibes post? I've accused the lad of a lot of things, from messenger shooting to fucking sheep.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              jon-nyc
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              #745

              Bye bye, Special Master. We hardly knew ya!

              https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-reverses-appointment-special-master-trump-documents-probe-2022-12-01/

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                Bye bye, Special Master. We hardly knew ya!

                https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-reverses-appointment-special-master-trump-documents-probe-2022-12-01/

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                Axtremus
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                #746

                @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                Bye bye, Special Master. We hardly knew ya!

                https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-reverses-appointment-special-master-trump-documents-probe-2022-12-01/

                Not surprising. Most observers were of the opinion that Cannon erred in the first place in appointing a Special Master.

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                  Axtremus
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                  #747

                  https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-says-he-would-take-classified-docs-sean-hannity-fox-2023-3

                  Sean Hannity told Trump he couldn't imagine Trump taking documents from the White House.
                  "I know you," Hannity said. "I don't think you would do it."
                  Trump corrected Hannity, saying, "I would do that" and adding that he has the right to "take stuff."

                  Video in tweet:

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                    jon-nyc
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                    #748

                    Imagine being a defense lawyer for a guy who regularly confesses to his crimes publicly.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Imagine being a defense lawyer for a guy who regularly confesses to his crimes publicly.

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                      #749

                      @jon-nyc

                      Reminds me of the meme of a woman defendant, she's asked by the judge, "Was the gun loaded?" And she says, "Yes", and her lawyer is standing behind her clutching his head and wearing a silent scream.

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        Imagine being a defense lawyer for a guy who regularly confesses to his crimes publicly.

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                        Doctor Phibes
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                        #750

                        @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                        Imagine being a defense lawyer for a guy who regularly confesses to his crimes publicly.

                        Imagine being Sean Hannity. He sticks his tongue right up there, only to be inundated once again with gallons of the substance he so richly deserves.

                        I was only joking

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                        • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                          @jon-nyc said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                          Imagine being a defense lawyer for a guy who regularly confesses to his crimes publicly.

                          Imagine being Sean Hannity. He sticks his tongue right up there, only to be inundated once again with gallons of the substance he so richly deserves.

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #751

                          @Doctor-Phibes

                          Worst. Visual. Ever.

                          Only non-witches get due process.

                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            George K
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                            #752

                            Biden had no advance notice on Mar-a-Lago search, White House says

                            The White House was not briefed or given advance notice about the FBI’s search of Mar-a-Lago, the Florida home of former President Donald Trump, press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre told reporters on Tuesday.

                            “The president was not briefed, was not aware of it, no. No one at the White House was given a heads-up,” Jean-Pierre said.

                            Biden learned about the Monday search through public reports, the press secretary said. “We learned about this just like the American people did,” she said.

                            Jean-Pierre reiterated the Justice Department’s independence from the president in the investigation, and declined to comment on it further. She also highlighted the president’s previous comments on his commitment to the “rule of law.”

                            Biden administration officials were involved in Mar-a-Lago raid despite claiming otherwise: report

                            The Biden administration involved itself in the raid of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home despite reports that its officials were "stunned" to find out about the news on social media, according to the group America First Legal, which obtained internal government documents related to the raid through a Freedom of Information Act request.

                            "The evidence further suggests that Biden officials in the Executive Office of the President and the Department of Justice unlawfully abused their power and then lied about it to the American people," said Reed D. Rubinstein, America First Legal senior counselor and director of oversight and investigations, in a post on social media Tuesday. "This government, it seems, acknowledges no limits on its power to harass, intimidate, and silence its political opponents."

                            Rubinstein's comments come after a Freedom of Information Act request by America First Legal found the FBI initially obtained access to Trump records through a "special access request" from the Biden White House.

                            The new information confirms Fox News reporting from August, when NARA acting head Debra Wall wrote a letter to Trump's attorney alluding to the administration's involvement.

                            Records show that John Laster, "the Archives’ official responsible for administering all access requests for Presidential records," was involved in the request despite the Archives’ previously claiming it had "not been involved in the DOJ investigation."

                            "On October 25, 2022, Acting Archivist Wall wrote to then-Ranking Members James Comer and Jim Jordan, claiming ‘NARA received the 15 boxes from President Trump on January 18, 2022, and then discovered that they contained classified national security information. Shortly after the discovery, NARA consulted with its Office of Inspector General (OIG), which operates independently of NARA. As DOJ has disclosed publicly in court filings, NARA’s OIG subsequently referred the matter to DOJ on February 9, 2022,’"

                            America First Legal wrote.

                            "If the OIG acted independently in making a referral to the FBI, then Mr. Laster would not have involved himself in the FBI’s review of the 15 boxes in his capacity as the Director of the White House Liaison Division ‘responsible for all access requests for Presidential records.’"

                            According to America First Legal, the special access statute "authorizes special access requests to an incumbent president only when the records in question are needed for ‘the conduct of current business’ of the White House."

                            "Providing documents to the DOJ for purposes of a criminal investigation is not the ‘current business’ of the White House," the organization said.

                            The August letter from Wall to Trump attorney Evan Corcoran also seemingly hinted at President Biden's involvement.

                            "NARA informed the Department of Justice about that discovery, which prompted the Department to ask the President to request that NARA provide the FBI with access to the boxes at issue so that the FBI and others in the Intelligence Community could examine them," Wall wrote. "The Counsel to the President has informed me that, in light of the particular circumstances presented here, President Biden defers to my determination, in consultation with the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel, regarding whether or not I should uphold the former President’s purported ‘protective assertion of executive privilege."

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Axtremus
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                              #753

                              From @George-K”s post above:

                              … the FBI initially obtained access to Trump records through a "special access request" from the Biden White House.

                              That’s it?
                              Does it mean anything?

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                From @George-K”s post above:

                                … the FBI initially obtained access to Trump records through a "special access request" from the Biden White House.

                                That’s it?
                                Does it mean anything?

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                                George K
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                                #754

                                @Axtremus said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                Does it mean anything?

                                Yeah.

                                1. Biden lied (again).
                                2. The White House was involved.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  George K
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                                  #755

                                  Another tidbit. Tradition (policy?) at FBI is not to conduct politically-sensitive raids/investigations less than 90 days before a national election.

                                  Time between Mar-a-Lago raid and election day 2022?

                                  91 days.

                                  I'm sure it was a coincidence.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    Another tidbit. Tradition (policy?) at FBI is not to conduct politically-sensitive raids/investigations less than 90 days before a national election.

                                    Time between Mar-a-Lago raid and election day 2022?

                                    91 days.

                                    I'm sure it was a coincidence.

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                                    Jolly
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                                    #756

                                    @George-K said in Mar-a-Lago raided:

                                    Another tidbit. Tradition (policy?) at FBI is not to conduct politically-sensitive raids/investigations less than 90 days before a national election.

                                    Time between Mar-a-Lago raid and election day 2022?

                                    91 days.

                                    I'm sure it was a coincidence.

                                    The absolute shit this corrupt administration gets away with is astounding, due to a lapdog media. It's like Baghdad Bob went to work for Pravda and generates the daily talking points.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #757

                                      Trump wasn’t running, I doubt they felt constrained by it. And there was nothing corrupt about executing the search warrant, as Trump’s subsequent confessions make clear.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                        George K
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                                        #758

                                        New charges filed against Trump

                                        Federal prosecutors announced new charges against Donald Trump in his alleged hoarding and hiding of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago home, alleging the former president and a newly-charged aide tried to keep security camera footage from being reviewed by investigators.

                                        Trump was also hit with with a fresh charge, in addition to the 31 counts he already faces, of illegally retaining national defense information. The indictment also charges that Trump and two aides, Waltine “Walt” Nauta and Carlos De Oliveira, requested that another Trump employee "delete security camera footage at the Mar-a-Lago Club to prevent the footage from being provided to a federal grand jury.”

                                        De Oliveira is the second Trump aide to be charged in the documents case. Nauta was charged alongside Trump in June with helping the former president mislead investigators as they sought to retrieve all of the classified documents that remained at the former president’s home and private club after he left the White House.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Jon
                                          wrote on last edited by Jon
                                          #759

                                          We used to say “it’s always the coverup”.

                                          But when you’re sufficiently incompetent it’s both the crime and the attempted coverup.

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