Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman
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wrote on 28 Mar 2023, 15:36 last edited by
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wrote on 28 Mar 2023, 15:41 last edited by
No doubt those officers had that example in mind. Literally better to die than to live with that sort of shame.
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wrote on 28 Mar 2023, 15:52 last edited by
Some people will charge excessive force, since the officer shot her while she was down. Those people don't know how the real world works... Officers will keep shooting a perp as long as a firearm is within reach and the perp is moving.
I saw that for a fact one day at work.
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wrote on 28 Mar 2023, 16:04 last edited by
So, was this a case of domestic terrorism or a hate crime?
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wrote on 28 Mar 2023, 16:16 last edited by
@George-K said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:
So, was this a case of domestic terrorism or a hate crime?
Yes.
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@George-K It could be both. But who knows if we'll ever get motive.
Jordan Peterson says of school shootings, "this is revenge against God, or the conditions of being, whichever you prefer."
wrote on 28 Mar 2023, 16:31 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:
@George-K It could be both. But who knows if we'll ever get motive.
I think we will. I think the manifesto will get released quickly. The Nashville Police Chief hasn’t seemed too interested in protecting sensibilities… I mean, he never even hesitated in calling her “her”. And I am sure he is getting all kinds of hell from trolls today for calling her “her”. I think he won’t be interested in placating anyone…
Beyond that, are there any statutes that can limit charges to strictly being hate crimes or domestic terror charges? Not that it matters in her case, but if we find out that she had an associate aware of her plans or if it’s found that there were online groups that assisted her, that could be extremely significant. But the domestic terror charges fall into Federal purview, and I don’t see them pushing it very far.
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@jon-nyc said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:
@George-K It could be both. But who knows if we'll ever get motive.
I think we will. I think the manifesto will get released quickly. The Nashville Police Chief hasn’t seemed too interested in protecting sensibilities… I mean, he never even hesitated in calling her “her”. And I am sure he is getting all kinds of hell from trolls today for calling her “her”. I think he won’t be interested in placating anyone…
Beyond that, are there any statutes that can limit charges to strictly being hate crimes or domestic terror charges? Not that it matters in her case, but if we find out that she had an associate aware of her plans or if it’s found that there were online groups that assisted her, that could be extremely significant. But the domestic terror charges fall into Federal purview, and I don’t see them pushing it very far.
wrote on 28 Mar 2023, 16:38 last edited by George K@LuFins-Dad said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:
if we find out that she had an associate aware of her plans
Apparently she texted (messaged?) a friend saying "I'm going to die today."
https://nypost.com/2023/03/28/nashville-school-shooters-chilling-final-messages-to-pal-revealed/
Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale sent a friend a chilling “suicide note” minutes before slaughtering three children and three adults — writing her: “I’m planning to die today.”
Hale, 28, messaged Averianna Patton, her former middle school basketball teammate, on Instagram at 9:57 a.m. Monday, NewsChannel 5 reported.
“So basically that post I made on here about you, that was basically a suicide note. I’m planning to die today,” Hale wrote, using the name Aiden, according to messages Patton gave the outlet.
“THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!!” wrote Hale, who identified as transgender. “You’ll probably hear about me on the news after I die.”
Hale added: “This is my last goodbye. I love you … See you again in another life.” She signed the missive “Audrey (Aiden).”
Patton replied: “Audrey! You have so much more life to live. I pray God keeps and covers you.”
In response, Hale wrote: “I know but I don’t want to live. I’m so sorry. I’m not trying to upset you or get attention. I just need to die. I wanted to tell you first because you are the most beautiful person I’ve ever seen and known all my life.”
She added: “My family doesn’t know what I’m about to do. One day this will make more sense. I’ve left more than enough evidence behind. But something bad is about to happen.”
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wrote on 28 Mar 2023, 17:04 last edited by
@George-K said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:
"One day this will make more sense. I’ve left more than enough evidence behind. But something bad is about to happen.”Won't ever make sense to kill innocents.
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@LuFins-Dad said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:
if we find out that she had an associate aware of her plans
Apparently she texted (messaged?) a friend saying "I'm going to die today."
https://nypost.com/2023/03/28/nashville-school-shooters-chilling-final-messages-to-pal-revealed/
Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale sent a friend a chilling “suicide note” minutes before slaughtering three children and three adults — writing her: “I’m planning to die today.”
Hale, 28, messaged Averianna Patton, her former middle school basketball teammate, on Instagram at 9:57 a.m. Monday, NewsChannel 5 reported.
“So basically that post I made on here about you, that was basically a suicide note. I’m planning to die today,” Hale wrote, using the name Aiden, according to messages Patton gave the outlet.
“THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!!” wrote Hale, who identified as transgender. “You’ll probably hear about me on the news after I die.”
Hale added: “This is my last goodbye. I love you … See you again in another life.” She signed the missive “Audrey (Aiden).”
Patton replied: “Audrey! You have so much more life to live. I pray God keeps and covers you.”
In response, Hale wrote: “I know but I don’t want to live. I’m so sorry. I’m not trying to upset you or get attention. I just need to die. I wanted to tell you first because you are the most beautiful person I’ve ever seen and known all my life.”
She added: “My family doesn’t know what I’m about to do. One day this will make more sense. I’ve left more than enough evidence behind. But something bad is about to happen.”
wrote on 28 Mar 2023, 17:25 last edited by@George-K said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:
@LuFins-Dad said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:
if we find out that she had an associate aware of her plans
Apparently she texted (messaged?) a friend saying "I'm going to die today."
https://nypost.com/2023/03/28/nashville-school-shooters-chilling-final-messages-to-pal-revealed/
Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale sent a friend a chilling “suicide note” minutes before slaughtering three children and three adults — writing her: “I’m planning to die today.”
Hale, 28, messaged Averianna Patton, her former middle school basketball teammate, on Instagram at 9:57 a.m. Monday, NewsChannel 5 reported.
“So basically that post I made on here about you, that was basically a suicide note. I’m planning to die today,” Hale wrote, using the name Aiden, according to messages Patton gave the outlet.
“THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!!” wrote Hale, who identified as transgender. “You’ll probably hear about me on the news after I die.”
Hale added: “This is my last goodbye. I love you … See you again in another life.” She signed the missive “Audrey (Aiden).”
Patton replied: “Audrey! You have so much more life to live. I pray God keeps and covers you.”
In response, Hale wrote: “I know but I don’t want to live. I’m so sorry. I’m not trying to upset you or get attention. I just need to die. I wanted to tell you first because you are the most beautiful person I’ve ever seen and known all my life.”
She added: “My family doesn’t know what I’m about to do. One day this will make more sense. I’ve left more than enough evidence behind. But something bad is about to happen.”
Then kill yourself, darling. Why kill innocent children?
I'm telling y'all, the devil strides across this earth in cloven hooves...
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wrote on 28 Mar 2023, 19:16 last edited by
I don't think they will publish her whole manifesto, but they let it out she had considered another target.
That target had armed people on the premises, so she decided not to attack that location.
https://www.newsweek.com/covenant-school-shooter-audrey-hale-eyed-second-target-police-say-1790702
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wrote on 28 Mar 2023, 19:27 last edited by
You cannot possibly criticize the response.
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@George-K said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:
@LuFins-Dad said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:
if we find out that she had an associate aware of her plans
Apparently she texted (messaged?) a friend saying "I'm going to die today."
https://nypost.com/2023/03/28/nashville-school-shooters-chilling-final-messages-to-pal-revealed/
Nashville school shooter Audrey Hale sent a friend a chilling “suicide note” minutes before slaughtering three children and three adults — writing her: “I’m planning to die today.”
Hale, 28, messaged Averianna Patton, her former middle school basketball teammate, on Instagram at 9:57 a.m. Monday, NewsChannel 5 reported.
“So basically that post I made on here about you, that was basically a suicide note. I’m planning to die today,” Hale wrote, using the name Aiden, according to messages Patton gave the outlet.
“THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!!” wrote Hale, who identified as transgender. “You’ll probably hear about me on the news after I die.”
Hale added: “This is my last goodbye. I love you … See you again in another life.” She signed the missive “Audrey (Aiden).”
Patton replied: “Audrey! You have so much more life to live. I pray God keeps and covers you.”
In response, Hale wrote: “I know but I don’t want to live. I’m so sorry. I’m not trying to upset you or get attention. I just need to die. I wanted to tell you first because you are the most beautiful person I’ve ever seen and known all my life.”
She added: “My family doesn’t know what I’m about to do. One day this will make more sense. I’ve left more than enough evidence behind. But something bad is about to happen.”
Then kill yourself, darling. Why kill innocent children?
I'm telling y'all, the devil strides across this earth in cloven hooves...
wrote on 28 Mar 2023, 19:56 last edited by@Jolly said in Nashville School Shooting - 6 dead, shooter is a woman:
Then kill yourself, darling. Why kill innocent children?
+infinty
I think about all the crap that pisses me off in this life and it all pales in comparison to this.
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wrote on 29 Mar 2023, 01:49 last edited by
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wrote on 29 Mar 2023, 01:50 last edited by
@LuFins-Dad Jesus.
Wait...
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wrote on 29 Mar 2023, 02:11 last edited by
@Jolly sorry didn’t know Reddit link/videos aren’t viewable without logging in, or maybe those flagged as mature content
Yes the police response definitely had an anti-Uvalde tempo to it. Good for them. Especially thinking that they are sweeping the building without knowing about the shooter the way we did. They are hunting room by room, could be an ambush, around any corner, any suspect, how brave you must be…but the lives of children certainly enhances the urgency to a whole different level.
As I told my wife today, these shootings will always continue. They seek headlines, and they get them. The name, the picture, the manifesto, it all sucks up the media oxygen, of which I’m guilty too. Further, parents worried about this happening to their child? Certainly understandable emotionally but statistically their child is 110x more likely to die while commuting to school than in the school. 110 times more likely. School shootings are ridiculously rare, relative to the cause of student deaths.
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wrote on 29 Mar 2023, 14:27 last edited by Axtremus
"In 2021, [Tennessee] enacted a law that lets most Tennesseans 21 and older carry handguns without first clearing a background check, obtaining a permit, or getting trained on firearms safety. ..."
No background check, how is the seller to know whether a buyer is a risk to public safety? How can "red flag law" work without background check? How can you tell if there is a red flag if you do not at least check?
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wrote on 29 Mar 2023, 16:04 last edited by
That applies to carry, not purchase.
https://www.tn.gov/tbi/divisions/cjis-division/firearm-background-checks.html
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That applies to carry, not purchase.
https://www.tn.gov/tbi/divisions/cjis-division/firearm-background-checks.html
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wrote on 29 Mar 2023, 16:29 last edited by
https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-resolution/127
The police has yet to determine the motive and already Sen. Hawley has introduced a bill to condemn the shooting as a “hate crime”.