Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…

[George K]

@Mik said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

You answered your own question.

You beat me, LOL.

I was going to say, "To ask the question is to answer it."

[Axtremus]

@LuFins-Dad said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

If I took Finley into a burlesque show, they would be shut down in a NY minute. Why is there special consideration because they are queer?

Because “drag” and “burlesque” are different?

[LuFins Dad]

@Axtremus said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

@LuFins-Dad said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

If I took Finley into a burlesque show, they would be shut down in a NY minute. Why is there special consideration because they are queer?

Because “drag” and “burlesque” are different?

You’re right. Burlesque is often much less sexualized content.

[Axtremus]

@Jolly said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

Kids do not need to be exposed to a drag queen anything. If the hotel wants to have such an event, 18 and over.

Regardless of your personal feeling, the state has no legal justification to penalize the hotel if there is no law prohibiting the presence of minors at drag shows.

Thou shalt respect the rule of law, not give in to demagoguery.

[LuFins Dad]

@Axtremus said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

@Jolly said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

Kids do not need to be exposed to a drag queen anything. If the hotel wants to have such an event, 18 and over.

Regardless of your personal feeling, the state has no legal justification to penalize the hotel if there is no law prohibiting the presence of minors at drag shows.

Thou shalt respect the rule of law, not give in to demagoguery.

It also cited a criminal law against disorderly conduct, and one against the “unlawful exposure of sexual organs” — a first-degree misdemeanor, a crime if done in a “vulgar or indecent manner.” First-degree misdemeanors, in Florida, are generally punishable by up to a year in jail, while committing a second-degree misdemeanor can lead to a term of up to 60 days behind bars.

[Horace]

@George-K said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

@Mik said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

family friendly, but also inclusive

When does the line between "inclusive" and "offensive" get crossed?

If it wasn't offensive, it wouldn't need to be 'included'. They are the same line, just described by people on opposite sides of it.

[LuFins Dad]

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad First Amendment, baby!

[LuFins Dad]

@George-K said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

@LuFins-Dad First Amendment, baby!

But it’s not burlesque!

[George K]

@LuFins-Dad there's a twitter account called "The First Amendment." That account is defending drag shows.

Fine.

I'm awaiting it to defend drag shows in front of 6 year olds.

By the way, on a sort of related topic, I still haven't heard if Ax objects to his kids seeking out porn.

[Jolly]

As one wag said, "We ought to hire illegal immigrants to hunt groomers. We could call it Alien vs. Predator.

[jon-nyc]

The James L. Knight center, where the event was held, is owned by the City of Miami and managed by a third party, not the Hyatt. I suspect this won't make it past an appeal.

DeSantis won’t care by then. A common DeSantis theme is to make bold but impractical or illegal moves like this. He wins the news cycle, and no one really pays attention when it gets walked back a few weeks or months later.

Trump must be livid.

[jon-nyc]

Apparently the Broward County Center for the Performing Arts hosted the same show later in the week. It’s owned and operated by the municipality, no unrelated private party to bully for headlines, I guess.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

The James L. Knight center, where the event was held, is owned by the City of Miami and managed by a third party, not the Hyatt. I suspect this won't make it past an appeal.

DeSantis won’t care by then. A common DeSantis theme is to make bold but impractical or illegal moves like this. He wins the news cycle, and no one really pays attention when it gets walked back a few weeks or months later.

Trump must be livid.

The problem is whose liquor license was used to serve at the event? I don’t know enough about Florida’s liquor license rules, for instance, but I do know that 20 years ago, that show wouldn’t have been allowed to happen in PA with alcohol served unless it was at a private club and would have been strictly 21+…

[Jolly]

Don't mess with Jon's narrative.

I don't think he'd take his son to one of these shows.

[LuFins Dad]

And let’s be clear, the issue isn’t that they had the show. The issue is that it was originally designated an all ages show, then begrudgingly moved into a rated R status and the show happened with minors in attendance.

[jon-nyc]

@Jolly said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

Don't mess with Jon's narrative.

And what might my narrative be?

[jon-nyc]

@LuFins-Dad said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

And let’s be clear, the issue isn’t that they had the show. The issue is that it was originally designated an all ages show, then begrudgingly moved into a rated R status and the show happened with minors in attendance.

My issue is the lack of clarity of who “they” are. The show has a producer and the venue has a manager and an owner. None of those three entities are Hyatt.

[LuFins Dad]

@jon-nyc said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

@LuFins-Dad said in Florida to revoke liquor license of Hyatt that hosted an all ages drag show…:

And let’s be clear, the issue isn’t that they had the show. The issue is that it was originally designated an all ages show, then begrudgingly moved into a rated R status and the show happened with minors in attendance.

My issue is the lack of clarity of who “they” are. The show has a producer and the venue has a manager and an owner. None of those three entities are Hyatt.

No, but Hyatt does share responsibility when it comes to the alcohol sold at the venue. It is their liquor license and there are regulations and laws regarding the sale of alcohol. Evidently the show violated the rules so the holder of the liquor license is held responsible. And this wasn’t a surprise. Hyatt and the venue were warned in advance, which is why they changed it from all ages to no children unless with an adult. That wasn’t far enough.

And seriously, why not just make it an adult only show? No kid should have been exposed to that.

[LuFins Dad]

Now, I will admit that I do have concerns about this escalation of weaponizing governmental authority. Just because we see it done from the other side doesn’t mean that an eye for an eye is the solution…